I got some mock orange it also is very hard like your lilac draw-knife would sometimes skip right off it. I found that the mock orange took dry heat super good flip the tips approx 2" grain all held, straighten the limbs alls holding, and will be adding some reflex for sinew backing. the stick is 1 1/4" x 60" 58"ntn 35#@27" hope to up it some w/ sinew. I will be looking for more M.O. and lilac. I new it made good arrows. keep us posted, Chuck