kenny, I quickly made those from scraps.. they do work nicely.. and thats the form I made using the template I got from you. if you look at the bottom left of the form you can see a small piece (3" x 5") of 1/4" plywood screwed to the form, that keeps the form from tipping over in the oven..been meaning to screw another piece on opposite side of form. Also thinking about something different for lam movement instead of the washers, I saw a pic somewhere of what I want on another thread..looked like a piece of slotted mini U-channel, will post pics when I make the mods to the forms I have