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Making arrow shafts - My quest from God
« on: January 07, 2014, 09:25:00 PM »
Hey guys,

I've talked to a few about this now and am never really getting to the bottom of this. I want to be able to make my own wooden arrow shafts. I don't want to buy wooden arrow shafts from some archery company and simply apply the rest. However I can't ever find a lot on actually creating the arrow shafts. I understand that arrows must have straight grain that runs throughout the arrrow. I understand about the different diameters, spines, and weights. I've read about the more popular woods that are used for arrow making.

A lot of the professional archery shops that have videos online give wonderful virtual tours and talk about arrow making from start to finish. However, they all usually say that they import the arrow shafts and then sort them according to spine and weight. I'm curious as to who actually makes all these shafts for these archery shops. I want to see the MAKING of the arrow shafts and understand what I have to do to acquire my own shafts. Somebody is doing it.

I'm sure it probably starts with cutting down a tree, but then there is questions like

1. "which part of the tree is suitable for arrow shafts?"
2. "is there some technique for cutting the arrow shafts from the tree?"
3. "could one simply just by lumber and use the straight grain parts for arrow shafts?"

There's a lot more questions I have but cannot find enough knowledge on this subject to even ask an appropriate question I feel. I'm extremely frustrated.

One more thing......I ordered the Veritas Dowel Maker from Lee Valley along with their "inserts for Arrow Making", but i'm starting to become worried about what wood I should be using along with their product.

My mission is simply this.....I want to make my own shafts!

Thankyou so much everyone,
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Offline Todd Cook

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Re: Making arrow shafts - My quest from God
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2014, 09:30:00 PM »
I've made shafts from douglas fir boards. They worked just fine. If I remember right I ripped them 7/16 square and then turned them with a router.

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Re: Making arrow shafts - My quest from God
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2014, 09:33:00 PM »
Woody, do a search on here and in the how-to forum. lots of discussion on this topic. i also believe that the primitive Archer forum site has a lot of arrow building stuff. It's not as complicated as you think. You already have a good idea of what is needed, just by the questions you have asked.
to answer q. 3, yes you can use straight lumber to cut your own arrow shafts. Douglas fir is a popular wood and if you cut it into 3/8" blanks and run them through the dowel maker you will have a good start. There was a recent thread that dealt with this very topic. It had good information on how to set up the dowel cutter. Good luck and keep us informed on your progress.
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Re: Making arrow shafts - My quest from God
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2014, 09:49:00 PM »
Woody have you ever thought about using Shoots? They are already round.

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Re: Making arrow shafts - My quest from God
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2014, 10:17:00 PM »
The best video I have seen is "building the footed arrow" by Gary and Connie. Renfro. He starts with boards and makes the shafts before footing them. He shows different tools and jigs. The plans for the jigs can be purchased also. At the end Connie shows how she splices feathers.

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« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2014, 11:08:00 PM »
I was just going to post on the same DVD. It Is available from 3 rivers archery.
Well worth the price. Connie and Gary cover it,all.
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Re: Making arrow shafts - My quest from God
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2014, 11:47:00 PM »
1) The wooden part.
2) I've read of an SCA site how they would split out blanks to make their arrows as to follow the rain with no run-outs. The shafts are then steam straightened & worked through holes in a steel gauge plate  until the right size.
3) That's the easiest way. I found instructions for a doweling jig that attaches to a router on one of the woodworking pages. I've seen the same one on here & in several videos on Ytube. I use mostly commercial Poplar, actually tulipwood. Find the straightest grain you can, cut into 3/8 x 3/8  x36" blanks & run them though. I built a spline gauge there's plenty of info Here & elsewhere. I just finished a full set of jigs because it works so well. 3/8 square to 11/32, 3/8 SQ to 23/64, 11/32 round to 5/16" & 23/64 RD to 11/32.

 Douglas hasn't worked as well as I'd have liked, lots of tear outs much coarser grain than that from SUREWOOD, according to some pictures I've seen. Next try is maple shafts, then maybe oak. Meanwhile poplar makes great shafts that nearly duplicates POC in good & bad features Fairly light, easily straightened, breaks when stumping. But @ less than 50 cents apiece I can live with it.

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Re: Making arrow shafts - My quest from God
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2014, 11:55:00 PM »
Here is the best way I have found to set up your dowel cutter.By looking at the pic I have several guides with holes that are just barely larger than 3/8". With out these your shaft can flop around wildly and wont cut a really goof strait shaft.Veritas tells you to cut 1/2" square blanks to feed through your dowel maker but I have found 3/8" blanks for shafts cut much better and smoother.I use a 1/4" socket extension with a 1/4" to 3/8" adapter in my 3/8" drill to run my shafts through the dowel cutter.I have use pine,spruce,west coast cedar(for light bows) and some fir and they all make good shafts.And just go easy!! Now lets see if I can load the pic.

 

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« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2014, 04:38:00 PM »
I know that you could make shafts from the home store lumber. Read were one man was making shafts from pine he got at *****depot. If I was going to make my own I would look for the tightest grain as well as the straightest grain boards to start with. There is Doug Fir that is used for making window frames. Not cheap but straight and tight grained.
As for cutting your own you might want to get next to someone who can "read" the tree for grain. You might have to do more research on that subject.
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Re: Making arrow shafts - My quest from God
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2014, 05:09:00 PM »
yup, you gotta know if you are cutting old growth or second growth. twist, no matter how slight- is the killer. you dont want ANY twist!!!
an "inkie bore" coring tool can be used to determine growth ring quality!

and then you need to know how to fall it, so that you dont get yourself killed, and dont give the tree "the shakes" in the process.
and then when its on the ground- there is a pile of wood !!!
needs to be cured and dried so it doesnt check.

not being a negative nellie, but
using store bought lumber cuts out all those problems!

you will have enough to contend with just building the shafts to start with.

that poplar sure looks like a good wood!

hard to find old growth fir at the box stores- might get it at aa speciality wood store.
but you can find good second growth wood- you just gotta hunt for it!
good luck, dont quit. it sure is rewarding building all your own gear!

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Re: Making arrow shafts - My quest from God
« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2014, 06:10:00 PM »
Just finished my first arrow from scratch. This is what worked for me. Found a super tight, super straight grained spruce 2x4 at work(I'm a carpenter). Ripped it into 3/8 x 3/8" x3' blanks. Discard any pieces with knots or curly grain. Use a thumb plane to take off the corners making an octagonal blank. Now comes the redneck part. Chuck it up in a 1/2" drill and run it through the head of a 3/8" boxend wrench. Now run it through the head of a 9mm boxend. Go slow and steady with this. It helps to have a pipe behind the blank to stabilize it. BTW, this is not an original idea. I got it off this site but I can't remember who from. He's a genius though. Send the dowel maker back to Veritas and get your 40 bucks back. The whole process from blank to sanded shaft took 20 min. Spruce worked well for this. For not so much
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« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2014, 06:11:00 PM »
Just finished my first arrow from scratch. This is what worked for me. Found a super tight, super straight grained spruce 2x4 at work(I'm a carpenter). Ripped it into 3/8 x 3/8" x3' blanks. Discard any pieces with knots or curly grain. Use a thumb plane to take off the corners making an octagonal blank. Now comes the redneck part. Chuck it up in a 1/2" drill and run it through the head of a 3/8" boxend wrench. Now run it through the head of a 9mm boxend. Go slow and steady with this. It helps to have a pipe behind the blank to stabilize it. BTW, this is not an original idea. I got it off this site but I can't remember who from. He's a genius though. Send the dowel maker back to Veritas and get your 40 bucks back. The whole process from blank to sanded shaft took 20 min. Spruce worked well for this. For not so much
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Re: Making arrow shafts - My quest from God
« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2014, 01:22:00 PM »
My Internet explorer is not compatable with photobucket or I would post some pictures.

You are well ahead of the game with the dowel jig I have one and it works great, nothing is perfect but it is great. You dont have to fell a tree but go ahead if you feel the need. You can get boards at local home improvement stores if thats all you have. They tend to be very limited on wood types and numbers of boards you can look thru. I have used poplar boards from these stores. I am lucky though and if you can find one in a reasonable distance go to a lumber store (Sears and Trustle in Northern CO is one I frequent) or Woodcrafters that has multiple types of hard and soft woods to look thru.

I am going to cause some wringing of hands and gashing of teeth here, but you dont have to have the perfect board to make arrows from. Is it the perfect thing to have straight tight grain with no run off, of course but not absolutly nessary. I would say that I use arrows with run off that an arrow company would not sell and have not as of yet had one break on me. As I go thru the process I contantly flex all shafts and any weak shafts tend to break on first flex. Caution is the key and tossing any you dont trust, flexing to test after each step in the process.

My method I look thru the lumber and find the board with the straighest grain I can, tight grain not as important to me. Some of the ash I have used you are lucky to get two growth rings on one 3/8 shaft. The heavy woods tend to have the higher gr weight of course but also heavy spine weight. At the lumber specialty stores they sell by the board foot. I have them cut the boards into 36 inch lenths, if not take board home and cross cut into 36 inch length. Then I rip into just under half by half inch squares. I look over any for small knots or other deformities and toss if needed. Then I chuck in electric drill use attachment for dowel maker and run thru. If weak right here the dowel jig will break off a really weak shaft. Just so you know getting the dowel jig to just the right setting can take some work but once there you are good to go, so expect a lot of wasted shafts till you get there. Use some pine or other cheap wood to get it setup. It will take some experimenting to get the correct feed rate to keep marring of shaft to minimum. Now you have a round shaft with square end. Flex shaft several times, spine shaft to see if it is in the ball park of spine weight needed. You want it some what heavier (in spine) than needed so you can sand down to spine you want and clean up marring at the same time. Flex as you sand check spine till you get the spine needed or close then finsish sand with fine paper. I turn my shafts to 3/8 then hand sand down to my needed spine weight without worring about shaft diameter. If its 3/8, 23/64, or 11/32 they all shoot the same spine is most important. With a little barrel sanding the tips and nocks if used fit just fine. If a shaft has gotten to this point with out splitting or breaking I dont worry about run off I use it. Now you are at the same spot as if you got from arrow source. Most important though you did it yourself and you are quality control. You will have some waste. I believe that probable only half the square stock I rip turns into a shaft I can use. Of the half that does not work for me to lite in spine usually they go to other projects or kids. The rest break or just are not clean enough to make shafts from.

Woods that have given me shafts in the 60-65lb spine range and around 350-500gr shaft. Ash, birch, doug fir, poplar, hard maple. These are the ones that have worked best for me there have been others with mixed results. Favorite two ash, poplar, least favorite doug fir. There is a lot I have learned just not enough time and this post has gone long. If you are interested I can post more later.

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« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2014, 11:49:00 PM »
I'm not going to try and talk someone out of making their own shafts from scratch.  But you will run into some problems with fir.  First finding the old growth tight ring wood will take some doing.  We use downed trees that are 30" to 48" plus in diameter and then split and work from "Bolts".  Plus when you get fir into squares and try to dowel it, it tends to chip and tear out.  Fir needs to be moulded to get the best results.  Then sanded to the desired diameter.  We mould to 3/8" and then sand to 11/32"  The other problem is you will need to run several hundred to get a few dozen, if you want spines in a 5# group and weights with in 10 grains.  Good luck.
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Re: Making arrow shafts - My quest from God
« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2014, 12:51:00 AM »
I get some small tear outs all over my shafts with my Veritas dowel maker but they all clear up with minimum sanding.All my shafts come out pretty close to the same spine and weight on each batch but I credit that to the wood consistency that I use on each batch.All the boards I use are hand picked to get good consistency.Grain size in different boards can make a big difference in spine on shafts.But on disability and very little income and plenty time I can make lots of shafts to get good ones.

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