Isn't a 650 grain arrow a "650 grain arrow"?

[Three Arrows]

So... what did everyone finally agree on?  That bowyers recommended 10gpp to cover their hind ends and warrantees?  Or that ya gotta shoot as heavy and arrow as fast as it can go out of your bow, and that there are minimums for bow weight and the game we pursue?  Shoot 60 plus pounds and 600 plus for all game in North America and forget about it!  

[Rob DiStefano]

Here's my take - I don't shoot arras lighter than 9 gpp outta my bows.  I don't hunt with less than a 500 gr arra, they're all at least 24% high FOC, and they all have a reasonably consistent trajectory from 15-30 yards (meaning, they be fairly fast).  

For me to achieve all of the above takes a minimum of a 50# hybrid r/d longbow.

But then again, I knew all that before this thread even got born.   :D

[Van/TX]

You bunch of high tech rednecks  :D  ...Van

[Diamond Paul]

If you can pull 60 pounds, more power to you!  My shoulders would collapse inward and smash me on either side of my face if I tried it!  But anyone who thinks he/she can't shoot through a whitetail or similar animal with a 45lb recurve and 450 grain arrow needs to try it sometime.  When you pull the arrow out of the ground on the other side of the deer, maybe a light will come on. . . .

[Shawn Leonard]

I did not read all the posts, but it has been proven as of late that the answer is "NO"!! It has now been proven an arrow with high forward of center will out penetrate an arrow of the same weight without the high FOC. Also the first statement does not make sense. It should be grains not pounds and ten grain per pound of arrow weight is ten grain 45# bow is 450 grains and 60# bow is 600 grains. It makes is not a great idae to shoot a 650 grain arrow out of a 40# bow as it robs the bow of too much perfromance and ya get a diminishing return. Shawn

[Terry Green]

OK Shawn....is'nt a 650 grain High FOC arrow a 650 grain High FOC arrow?????

                   

I think some folks need to actually go hunting!  

[Widowbender]

T...you're gonna need a bigger horse for that one!!!
   :D    :D    :D

My brain hurts...  

David

[laddy]

I will think of this thread the next time I am looking for my wife's arrow after it has just passed through a deer and buried in the switch grass beyond.  i have not found the last one yet, tapered 5/16'' cedar, grizzly, 36pound wing at 26''.

[Molson]

Originally posted by Three Arrows:
So... what did everyone finally agree on?  That bowyers recommended 10gpp to cover their hind ends and warrantees?  Or that ya gotta shoot as heavy and arrow as fast as it can go out of your bow, and that there are minimums for bow weight and the game we pursue?  Shoot 60 plus pounds and 600 plus for all game in North America and forget about it!    

Heck Chuc...Nobody ever agrees on this kinda stuff.  Where would the fun be in that?

I was reading a book on archery the other day written in 1953.  Exact same discussion was going on in the book with the exact same arguments for each side.  The more things change, the more they stay the same!

[Jason R. Wesbrock]

Originally posted by Diamond Paul:
But anyone who thinks he/she can't shoot through a whitetail or similar animal with a 45lb recurve and 450 grain arrow needs to try it sometime.  When you pull the arrow out of the ground on the other side of the deer, maybe a light will come on. . . .

[JC]

Originally posted by Shawn Leonard:
I did not read all the posts, but it has been proven as of late that the answer is "NO"!! It has now been proven an arrow with high forward of center will out penetrate an arrow of the same weight without the high FOC. Also the first statement does not make sense. It should be grains not pounds and ten grain per pound of arrow weight is ten grain 45# bow is 450 grains and 60# bow is 600 grains. It makes is not a great idae to shoot a 650 grain arrow out of a 40# bow as it robs the bow of too much perfromance and ya get a diminishing return. Shawn

Shawn, read Dr. Ashby's reports...that's EXACTLY what he's saying....650gr minimum, high FOC out of whatever bow you are shooting to get max penetration penetration. Numerous ladies who have harvested elk and such with low poundage bows tend to agree with him. Though it's not much for trajectory, the data is showing it works for penetration through bone.

And as far as "robbing performance" depends on what you mean by performance. It's slower, but it definately has more momentum...the key to penetration in most eyes. The arrows mass is the only constant after the arrow leaves the bow...theoretically, the heavier the better.

For me, I like....awww heck, ya'll heard all that already  

[laddy]

I think that I should clarify the arrows my wife is using, are about the heaviest forty pound spine arrows that Rogue river ever had to send me at that spine.  With a 160 grain griz for the weight of the bow that is pretty stout grains per pound.  I still have my doubts about the bone busting abilities of light bows with any arrow.  although I agree with the report 100%, the parameters of heavy bows versus light bows will always be quite different.  I think my wife's setup would be good penetration on ribs and chest to possible bounce offs on heavy bones.  i think a lot of us are some where between that and test bow in the report.