This has prob been discussed but tell me something bout longbows

[pavan]

Healing the bow, maybe should be clarified a bit.  It is not a complicated thing.  Hold your hand with your thumb out, drop the bow onto your hand and close your fingers around it.  You will find, unless you have tiny hands and a giant grip on your bow, that the bow settles to a natural no-torquing spot, the middle pads of your fingers will match the back of the bow.  You can hold it with less pressure at full draw, a bit of pressure with the ring and middle finger, or squeeze the snot out of it until the glue lines spread and the bow will still not torque, if you are not twisting on it to begin with.  Myself, I go for just a bit of squeeze at the beginning of the draw and barely have any pressure as I reach full draw, the bow stays put.  I am not claiming that I am that delicate when I shoot at a flying pheasant or running rabbit, but it does not affect the bow or arrow flight.  I will say that I get by with more with an ASL than I did with my Robertsons on the fast shots, but I have made some really good hunting shots with Robertsons over the years, some of which were rather unorthodox.

[Bowguy67]

Pavan it’s only partially about torque. It’s actually an unnatural position and heeling puts your forearm in harms way. Hence the vast number of heelers that need arm guards. I always tell students wrist slap is God’s way of telling you you gripping the bow wrong. I’m not trying to reinvent the wheel. I’m new to longbows but shot bows 47 years now. In that time I certainly thought I knew something and realized I was doing it wrong. From back tension and proper release, (how many dead handed releases do you see ?) to grip, etc. we gotta keep our minds open. For now I see no better way and hitting myself seems silly

[pavan]

I can tell that you do not understand shooting an ASL Hill style.  Your priorities are based on static style recurve shooting, nothing wrong with that, but saying we are wrong because we do not do things your way is also wrong. 

[Macatawa]

This grip on my Fred Anderson Skookum classic feels great and the bow is not a hybrid.

...this is exactly what I do when working with an ASL.  I could never really get consistently comfortable with the "straight" grip and the "dished" grip was much more an aggrevation to me, the "Locator" (very slight) works best for me...

[Bowguy67]

I can tell that you do not understand shooting an ASL Hill style.  Your priorities are based on static style recurve shooting, nothing wrong with that, but saying we are wrong because we do not do things your way is also wrong.

Pavan I don’t understand that. It’s ok. I’m not bashing a style. If that was the only way to shoot it, it’d not work for me or my style. Like I said the arm guard thing to me seems absolutely crazy. To each his own though right. I’m not saying you personally are wrong. It’s just wrong for me. If that was the only option I’d not shoot it. I was pleasantly surprised. You might be too if you ever tried it but you can do as you please. Thank you for your input though and I hope I wasn’t taken incorrectly

[pavan]

A little off the subject, but I do not hit my arm when shooting a Robertson longbow, a recurve or my ASL longbows with a FF string.  I hold bows pretty much identically to how Hill held his bows.  I may catch a little after the shot string vibration on bare skin but that is about it.  Leather cuff arm guards are a cool fashion statement that have a desired function.  Go ahead  'get a hold' of that bow, put a nice leather armguard on, trust me, it will look good on you.  You can view Hill's bow grip on this,

[David Mitchell]

Bowguy, our own outstanding longbow shooter Ron LaClair shoots with a dead hand release.  In the Masters of the Barebow DVD Vol. 1 he states that when he releases, "both hands do nothing."  If you shot that way I would say you were in good company. This is such an individual sport.  There is always more than one way to skin a cat, as they say.

[Bowguy67]

Bowguy, our own outstanding longbow shooter Ron LaClair shoots with a dead hand release.  In the Masters of the Barebow DVD Vol. 1 he states that when he releases, "both hands do nothing."  If you shot that way I would say you were in good company. This is such an individual sport.  There is always more than one way to skin a cat, as they say.

David I’m sure you are aware anything absolutely repeated allows accuracy. You can have bad form, repeat it consistently and still be accurate. So why than concentrate on any form? Because thing such as dead hand releases lead most to plucking string, throwing their hand out or up. There’s def not proper backtension when dead handed releases are in play.
Don’t believe me?? Ok so draw back the way you always do, have someone push your elbow in so you need to push back such as in proper back tension. Have the fellow move away releasing his pressure and see if you move or can dead hand? I’ll tell you the answer, you’ll move because your elbow was pushing back.
Now I’ve gone through this w compound guys too. Look at Rio Wilde. Got terrible form. Does he shoot better than most because he is repeating? Answer is yes. Should we aim for that? Pretty obvious the answer is no.
See there’s prob no kids on here, way back when when we all began who showed us? Dad? Uncle Joe?
Were they archery instructors? What about the pics of Fred Bear w his thumb by his temple? Is this something we should teach? He’s a great guy, great archer, great hunter. It’d be best to give someone every chance of succeeding. This starts w proper form.
The rest of us may have flaws we’ve perfected. Does not make it the best way

[pavan]

'Both hands do nothing' is not a dead release.

[Bowguy67]

'Both hands do nothing' is not a dead release..

It’s not your hands that move you. Guys we could go on and on. Not trying to convince you. I’m def not doing things against myself either. It’d be silly. Thank you though