I havent used them out of a trad bow but have used them before. Mainly ive shot the 23/64 diameter target arrows but have had a set of the .166 id and .245 id shafts. Your not really going to see any difference between them, the standard victory vforce, deer crossing and several others as the guy who ran each company (Bart, cant remember his last name but it starts with an L) didnt really change anything from one brand to the next besides the logo and the inserts. Imo not a bad arrow but nothing to write home about. Lately i have been curious as to how the newer victory shafts like the vforce tko would do.