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Author Topic: Wood arrow gurus, I have a few ???'s  (Read 1564 times)

Offline sam barrett

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Wood arrow gurus, I have a few ???'s
« on: July 29, 2019, 01:05:57 PM »
Hey guys, started to shoot ASL's a while ago and have been using carbons, but want to start shooting wood arrows.  I think it will be fun to start making my own arrows...seems like a great thing to do in the winter.  My only problem is that I've never used them before and know nothing about them.  Was hoping you guys could answer a few questions for me.

1.  What spine should I get?  I have 3 ASL's, one is 48@28 and the other two are both 50@28, all three 68" long.  Can I get away with the same spine for all three.  I was thinking 50/55 spine, but no sure.  Any guidance would be appreciated.

2.  What is the best adhesives for nocks and points with woodies and what works best for applying feathers?

3.  Should I go with 11/32 diameter?

4.  What shaft material?  I know this will probably be subjective, but is there a better material to choose if I want a heavier broadhead, or a better material for a lighter broadhead...or does it matter?

Thanks for the help, I'm sure you guys will get me pointed in the right direction!

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Re: Wood arrow gurus, I have a few ???'s
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2019, 01:31:56 PM »
Welcome to woody world, Sam. I've always shot wood except for a few years of aluminum in my wheely days way back when. I build and shoot selfbows so someone more familiar with glass bows will have to recommend spines but I think the same shafts might shoot fine from all three bows.
 Port Orford cedar(POC) or Sitka spruce work well, are readily available and make good hunting weight arrows. Other options are poplar, Douglas fir, hickory(heavy), lodgepole pine and others.
11/32" is a pretty standard shaft size for hunting arrows.
I've had good luck with Duco cement and fletch tape. I liked the fletch tape because it instantly sticks. There are other fletching glues and many can be used for nocks and I use a hot melt glue for commercial glue on points.
 After you get familiar with arrow making you may want to try self nocks. They are a bit time consuming but look cool on arrows, are traditional and IMO more durable than plastic nocks.
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Re: Wood arrow gurus, I have a few ???'s
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2019, 01:39:11 PM »
If you draw 28, 50-55# should be fine.  They should work for all your bows.  If you're shooting low stretch strings, up it 5#. Add another 5# if you're going to shoot heads in the 150-175grain range. 

I use Duco cement or Bohning fletch tite for nocks and feathers.

I prefer 11/32 over 23/64.  No need to go larger diameter in the spine range you're considering.  Difficult to find good shafts in 5/16 that are spined more than 50#.

Almost all my woodies are POC.  Also have some Doug Fir from Surewood shafts. Have used birch and ash in the past when I wanted real heavy arrows for moose.  If you go with a heavier hardwood shaft, will need to increase the static spine some as well.

If you get into this, ultimately, you'll need a spine tester and grain scale to put together well matched arrows.  A sanding disk and taper jig are also much more consistent than the pencil sharpener nock and point tapering tools.

Good luck.  Have fun.

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Re: Wood arrow gurus, I have a few ???'s
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2019, 02:03:19 PM »
I second using Duco cement for gluing on nocks and feathers. I've used every taper tool out there and prefer the BearPaw Deluxe Taper Tool. You also can't beat the Bitzenberger jig for fletching.

Living and hunting in the Missouri Ozarks, I am a big proponent of hardwood shafts for their durability against all the flint rocks I shoot them into. I also like shooting a heavy arrow. I used to shoot ash exclusively but when my supplier (Allegheny Mountain Arrow Woods) retired I started looking at other hardwoods. Now I get all my shafting from Kevin Forrester of Forrester Wood Shafts. I'm not too hung up on a particular wood. I mainly look at weight and spine. There are several versions of Stu Miller's dynamic spine calculator available online now to help you pick out the right combination of shaft diameter, static spine, shaft weight, and point weight to get you in the ballpark for your particular bow. I've used mahogany, maple, and red balau from Kevin. I like the looks of his golden mahogany the best and I like using the red balau because I can get 5/16" shafts but still keep my weight up. It all comes down to personal preference.

For sealing the shafts, I currently dip them in oil-based polyurethane and put on several coats. Again, I've tried just about everything over the years and prefer poly for its consistency in all sorts of temperature/humidity combinations.

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Re: Wood arrow gurus, I have a few ???'s
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2019, 02:42:45 PM »
Great advice from all I would get and arrow-fix when you spend time building them and break them you can put them back together it's almost as fun as when you build them the first time. 
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Re: Wood arrow gurus, I have a few ???'s
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2019, 03:27:39 PM »
I second the spine recommended and the 5# more for FF, longer than 28” arrows or over 145 grain points. I use 60-65# spine from my 55#@28” R/D LB.
 I am another who has tried various shafts, finishes, tools etc over the years. I currently am using cedar, cap sprayed with Rustolem 2X for outdoors. I crest using Testor’s Acrylics. Seal with waterbased Polycrillic. I use NPV glue for feathers and nocks. Have gone to Top Hat point system for points. Yes, some sort of spine tester is a must. I have grain scale as well.
 Getting started is the expensive part. You may want to buy your shafts already tapered and spine and grain matched the first time. You may not like woods and end up with stuff you don’t need.

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Re: Wood arrow gurus, I have a few ???'s
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2019, 04:16:18 PM »
We typically follow the rule of thumb to go 10-15 lbs of spine above draw weight if shooting a FF string. I don't know that we've had great luck with arrows spined as close to the bow's draw weight at 28" but that doesn't mean it couldn't work. I would suggest ordering a test pack of 50-55, 55-60, and 60-65 and put them through the bows and find the sweet spot.

Best shafts we've gotten are the Surewood Shafts doug firs. Cedar quality is not what it used to be and the Surewood hunters are really tough, with almost no grain run-off and require very little straightening when the shafts arrive. Others mentioned are probably good as well, but for sure those Oregon-sourced doug firs are some of the straightest trees out there and I imagine are tough to beat.

For adhesives we use Devcon 2-part five minute epoxy (you can buy at Walmart or any hardware store I believe) for gluing on heads. Just squeeze it out on an old plastic whippied topping or sour cream container lid and mix well with a tongue depressor. It cures quick (5 minute) so if doing multiple arrows at a time only squeeze a small enough amount out of the tube for 2-3 points because you'll run out of time and it will be cured too much once you've seated them, checked for proper alignment, and wiped off excess glue squeeze-out. For fletchings and the nocks, we just use Bohning fletch tite platinum.

When gluing on field tips and/or broadhead stick a Q-tip dunked in isopropyl alcohol in the ferrule to clean out any oils so they will adhere better. Then whenever removing heads you can apply heat for a minute or two with a lighter and with a glove or cloth pull the tip off. Heads can be easily reused by cleaning the ferrule with a wire brush attachment on a cordless drill or dremel and then they are ready to be glued onto another arrow.

Relating to if you wanted to go heavier with your head, you may be interested in tapered shafts, and doug firs or ash would handle that well. The straightest grain you can find will be the most durable if you start loading the front.

We have a Woodchuck sanding disk taper tool but I'm not sure if that is made anymore - and who knows there may be something better on the market now anyways.

The fun part about woodies is the finishing and cresting process. You can choose to stain the shafts or just use a clear coat, you could even swirl with stain or cresting paint if you so desired. The possibilities are endless. We have dabbled in splicing feathers and matching the splice with cresting colors too. It's fun stuff.
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Re: Wood arrow gurus, I have a few ???'s
« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2019, 03:31:11 PM »
Thanks for all of the replies...I really appreciate the help!

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Re: Wood arrow gurus, I have a few ???'s
« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2019, 04:58:44 PM »
How much overhang do you guys usually leave on the arrow past the shelf?  Thanks

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Re: Wood arrow gurus, I have a few ???'s
« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2019, 05:39:51 PM »
Some folks tune with arrow length so it ends up being whatever works best for that particular shooter.  Gap shooters leave them full length.  I cut my shafts so the back of the head is one inch beyond the riser at full draw and tune with point weight and arrow shelf thickness.

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Re: Wood arrow gurus, I have a few ???'s
« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2019, 07:16:43 PM »
I cut most of my arrows to 30" for my 26" draw. I shoot mostly selfbows and find the longer arrows get around the bow better for me plus I like the extra physical weight. With longer arrows you have to figure the dynamic spine and not go by the marked spine.
 If you can find poplar shafts they make almost indestructible arrows. About the weight of cedar but way tougher. Poplar sapwood(white) is tougher than heartwood(greenish tan).
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Re: Wood arrow gurus, I have a few ???'s
« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2019, 07:19:47 PM »
I leave em full length. That way when you break them right behind the point you can fix the taper and still shoot them.

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