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Online Al Dente

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Must read in new issue of TBM
« on: August 27, 2019, 06:00:08 AM »
In the latest issue of Traditional Bowhunter Magazine, Oct/Nov 2019, there is a piece on page 84 by Duncan Pledge titled "Dangers of Dragging."  A student who is the son of a friend of his decided to do his Master's Thesis about the stress put on the heart when dragging a deer.  This is a cautionary piece about what we put our bodies through. Sometimes in the most negative of situations, cold weather, bulky clothing, hilly terrain, etc...
I have hunted my whole life with a crew of cardiac patients, my Father, my 2 Uncles, my Godfather, and a Cousin all had or continue to have cardiac issues.  My Dad, ascended from cancer 3 1/2 years ago, he had a pacemaker, a defib unit, and several stents, and one of my Uncles ascended 5 1/2 years ago from a massive heart attack, he got up from his chair to go to bed, and dropped to the floor.  My other Uncle, Godfather, and Cousin continue to hunt but scare the hell out of me every time we walk out the door.
I remember one time my Cousin killed a deer, almost 2 miles from a road, way in the back on neighbors farm.  There was over 2 feet of snow on the ground and he called for assistance in dragging the deer out because he was tired.  When I got there with my plastic sled, he was sitting down and did not even have the deer dressed out yet.  I was more than miffed, and told him to hunt closer to the road next time or just hunt squirrels, so that he can drag them out by himself.
It was the toughest drag of my lifetime, even with the sled.  To say that I was spent and lost the rest of the day is an understatement, and I was/still am in shape.
My point of this is to get you off of the couch and start exercising.  The benefits are not just for hunting, and being able to climb a little higher up the mountain, or to walk a little further on the trail.  It is the gift of cardiac fitness, and a longer life.  More time with your friends and family, more money that you can collect from your pension, more seasons out in the wild.
You can start with a walk.  A recent study has shown that a brisk 10 minute walk, 3 times a week is twice as effective as Metformin for preventing diabetes.  You can then gradually work up to longer walks, more frequently.  Maybe use a treadmill, or bike, or a rower, there are more options than excuses.
Also, adjust your diet.  As you get older your metabolism slows down.  You need to make your food your medicine.  Let what you ingest, not only fuel you, but heal you.  Become educated, buy the "9", meaning look at the labels on your fruits and vegetables.  The first number must be "9" as much as possible, that indicates that it is organic.  Buy only organic meats, poultry, fish, eggs, and dairy as much as possible.  No farm raised fish at all.  No hormones, steroids, or antibiotics ever.
Lastly, go to your primary care physician for full physical, stress test and CBC panel.  Then ask for a referral for a calcium score.  It is an MRI of your torso, primarily to get imaging of your heart.  Where other tests such as an EKG can show no abnormalities, the calcium score is definitive.  It is around $100, but well worth it.  Too many people have had a clean bill of health, after their annual stress test, then drop dead from a cardiac issue because they did not go for this test.
Invest in yourself, you are worth it.  My children will never call anyone else Daddy except me! 
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Re: Must read in new issue of TBM
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2019, 07:39:01 AM »
This is great advice! I lost my dad last October to a massive heart attack. Knowing I’m predisposed due to family history, I’ve been trying to take better care of myself. Exercise is a lot easier for me than diet, which I still need to improve.

Thanks for bringing up such an important issue!
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Re: Must read in new issue of TBM
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2019, 07:44:18 AM »
Nobody thinks it can happen to them. I have some issues myself and changed the way I hunt.
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Re: Must read in new issue of TBM
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2019, 08:43:52 AM »
Great advice, all of it!  We change as we get older without realizing it.  We still picture ourselves as we were 20 years ago, but as we age there comes a point where we're not.  Check your heart rate frequently when you engage in an activity more strenuous than you're accustomed to.  Know what your safe level is, and stop when your heart rate exceeds that level.  At 75, my safe level is 125 bpm.  When I was younger, it was 155.  My wife can safely run her's up to 185 at the age of 70.  I could never do that, even as a young Marine; she must be part hummingbird.  Notice whether your heart rate is in sync with your breathing rate.  If your heart rate speeds up without a corresponding increase in your breathing rate, that's a problem.  If your breathing rate speeds up without a corresponding increase in your heart rate, that's a problem too.  Either one could mean that you're close to having a heart attack.
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Re: Must read in new issue of TBM
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2019, 09:44:54 AM »
There are other things one needs to watch out for as well;

I was dragging a deer into a wheelbarrow to haul it around a field road and back to my truck, it hungup and I snatced it really hard to unstick it. Dang if I didn't break the transverse process off of L-5. I was in great shape, I speed walked 9 to 12 miles a week and lifted weights 3 days a week and one careless move did me in.

I had back fusion which didn't go all that well because I thought I was a heaman, violated my restrictions and messed things up. No more deer dragging for me after my surgery, ever.

20 years earlier I had fallen out of a tree deer hunting and broken my back.

I guess my point is hunting injuries can be a game changer if we take anything for granted about the process.

I don't drag deer anymore, I can't. My latest invention is what I call (tongue in cheek) my Deer Dragamatic 2000 which is a 2000 # boat winch with 100 ft of 1200# mule tape on it  that I run with a 19V drill driver. It will pull any deer out of the steepest hollow to where it can be picked up with a 4 wheeler or truck. It will pull a deer about 200 ft on one battery, I keep two on hand. With the deer in an ice fishing sled on level ground I suspect my contraption will drag much further on one battery.

I also use a truck receiver hitch mounted deer hoist to keep from straining my back.


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Re: Must read in new issue of TBM
« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2019, 03:18:43 PM »
I’m no spring chicken myself, even at “only 38.” Though I work in the oil field, I’ve been in less stressful, senior non-supervisory roles for the last 3 years. At 5’6 @ 205#, I’m not small! Now I’ve been put back in some more mentoring and traditional field hand roles find I get winded QUICKLY! Conversely, when I walk out my back door onto the neighboring WMA l, there’s a long stretch of area with sandy soils that rob you of energy quickly if your out of shape. I can tell when I’ve used that trail!
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Re: Must read in new issue of TBM
« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2019, 07:05:26 PM »
I've drug a lot of deer out and it's a pain. I'm starting to wonder if throwing one up around my shoulders might be easier. I'd much rather carry 150 pounds on my back then bend over and drag it. May put that in to practice this season.

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Re: Must read in new issue of TBM
« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2019, 07:56:06 PM »
I read that article as well. Be 74 Thursday and read these type articles more often. I have a valve job in the future so no dragging anything these days. Also learned the blood pressure medicine I take slows down the heart rate as well. Some days like last Sunday are worst than most. Only got in 14 targets in our 100+* temps and went home.
 I got pro active about heart years ago, my cousin dropped dead at 42, I was 44. So it’s checkup twice a year. Echo cardio gram as well.

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Re: Must read in new issue of TBM
« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2019, 08:42:58 PM »
Carrying a deer on ones self is a no no, a good way to get shot weather from a bow and especially a gun.

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Re: Must read in new issue of TBM
« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2019, 06:35:10 AM »
Bought a Polaris Ranger in 2004. Haven't  had to drag a deer out since.

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Re: Must read in new issue of TBM
« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2019, 08:56:21 AM »
Ive drug many deer in my younger days then I bought a 4 wheeler lol. Seriously tho now Im 58 and in pretty good shape but after my wife died I started doing annual physicals andI do what they call a lifeline checkup 1 a year. Costs 130 bucks but they check all your arteries and do ekg and sonogram of your carotiod artery in your neck. all has checked good so far and peace of mind is priceless

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Re: Must read in new issue of TBM
« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2019, 08:36:13 PM »
In most spots on my place, I can drive the tractor real close. Then, as backup I usually can call my son. Other than that, I am just as susceptible to issues mentioned in the article as most guys my age. Something to think about but very scary possibilities.
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Re: Must read in new issue of TBM
« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2019, 08:51:02 PM »
Everything you do to enhance your physical well-being will pay multiple dividends.

My neighbors think I am crazy!  Every afternoon after work I pull on a pack-frame with 20 pounds of barbell weights tied to it, pick a 10 pound dumbbell in each hand and go for a 2 .5 mile fast walk over the hills and dales around home.  They laugh at me!  Look at that silly old 70 year-old man!  I'm the one that will be laughing come September 10 when I leave NJ for Montana to bow hunt elk in the Absarokas!

Rule #1:  DON'T EVER GIVE UP.  Rule #2:  Reread Rule #1.

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Re: Must read in new issue of TBM
« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2019, 05:58:46 AM »
You go John, and everyone else here who puts in the time and mileage.  I am 51, and one of the old men on the jobsite.  But I outwork, and out perform every one of the younger ones.  I train every day, 3 days of weights, 1 day cardio.  I can still squat over 300, bench close to 300 for reps, and deadlift over 400.  Training for my first powerflifting meet in over 25 years next year.  One young guys diet consists of devil dogs, doritos, ramen noodle cups, and coke.  Total disaster.  Please pass this one, even if it saves just one life, it is better than losing one.
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Re: Must read in new issue of TBM
« Reply #14 on: August 29, 2019, 04:40:44 PM »
I'm 65 with two TKRs and had AFIB 4 yrs. ago but no heart issues since. Better diet and exercise and I'm 5'11" 186. Actually the most I've weighed in my life too.
Game cart is going with me every hunt this year.
If I by chance shoot a really big pig here in FL. I'm calling in a bobcat or front end loader.

Oh, and I'm hunting much closer to the roads now for all reasons mentioned above. Besides the deer know when all the hunters head deep into their woods they move out to and parallel the roads. Public lands here anyway.
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Re: Must read in new issue of TBM
« Reply #15 on: August 29, 2019, 07:44:15 PM »
Like the article says, if ya have to drag, make small goals and take it easy. But anymore I want to avoid dragging all I can, I keep a game cart and pack frame in the truck all hunting season.
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Re: Must read in new issue of TBM
« Reply #16 on: August 30, 2019, 09:45:19 AM »
Why gut the deer, drag it to truck, lift it into the truck, hang it up, skin it, quarter it then dispose of the carcass? 

Years ago when it became legal to register by phone from the field, I started the gutless quarter method right at the kill spot.  It takes me about 25 minutes to do a deer, taking my time.  I work off my knees.  50- 60# of meat separated into 2 or 3 bags is a piece of cake to work with.

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