bareshaft problem

[WidowEater]

I am shooting a longbow cut to center. Using a leather arrow rest shooting off the shelf. The problem is that i cannot get the bareshaft to stop nosediving off the release.  This would seem to indicate a nock high or nock too low condition.  I have tried everything.  I have put the nock point up to 3/4" and lowered it by 1/16" down to 1/2" below.  And still it is the same result.  There doesnt even seem to be any improvement as I move the nock one way or another it just stays the same.  THe bow is from a reputable bowyer so I dont think it is a tillering probelm.  The only other thoughts I have is that is might be the brace height (which is set within the bowyers recommendations) or I am thinking of putting on a rug rest in the theory that the leather one is too hard of a surface for the arrow to transition from.

Any help is appresiated.

[vermonster13]

Try shooting it cock feather in and see what happens.

[WidowEater]

i will try that monster but I am still concerned with the bareshaft problem, unless this suggestion is independent of bareshafting and is to be considered as a tuning implement

[vermonster13]

Brain lock up for a second there, sorry. How tight are the nocks?

[WidowEater]

they are not moving a hair

[vermonster13]

Can you tap the string and get them to fall off?

[WidowEater]

oh the arrow nocks, sorry brain lock up..

they can be tapped off

[vermonster13]

Is the shelf rounded or flat?

[WidowEater]

radiused with the hight point over the throat of the grip

[vermonster13]

Put on a rug and see if less drag helps. Shouldn't be a big deal on a radiused shelf, but short of seeing you actually shoot it's hard to know what's happening.

[WidowEater]

im quite sure its not form related, i shoot my other bows with what I think is good form,

I even tried one of my other bows arrows without fletching with the same problem.  Also when shooting fletched shafts there is also apparent nosedive and a nock high condition until the fletching takes over.

[vermonster13]

If the bow was out of kilter that could be seen by watching you bring it to anchor and shooting also.

[Shawn Leonard]

The bow may have been tillered for 3 under, try a nock point of 7/8"s and shoot it. Shawn

[Shawn Leonard]

I should of said before doing that make sure your elbow is not too high. That is what it could be in the first place. Shawn

[vermonster13]

That's true. You may have to go as high as an inch, depending on the tiller if it's a three under bow.

[WidowEater]

I asked the bowyer before I bought it what it was tillered for and he said split finger nonetheless will try higher

[Bjorn]

I think it is time you told us exactly what the arrow/bow combo is.............give us all the numbers including you draw length and the string type. Then I am sure vermonster and shawn cann help you even better.

[WidowEater]

ok, 58@28 whisperstik voodoo. Drawing 27"  Fastflite, with 2219 arrows cut to 30in.  145 gr points.

[vermonster13]

Way stiff arrow. Try a 2016. A 2219 spines out for a 90# bow at that length.

[WidowEater]

i tried a 2115 with the same results, cut to 30 in as well with a 125 point