I use the LW hand climber but man that stand will let you know if you are out of shape I go up no higher than 12'... packs so small and super quiet getting on tree and when up in tree theres nothing around you its like being in a portable with a custom seat heigt option ! I have the gorilla too which is modeled after the Ole Man which can be noisy getting on tree but once on and ascending no sound at all,,, the Ole Man climber with the mesh seat and foot/gun rail option was and still is the most comfortable climber Ive ever used,, it was heavy at 26lbs but I sat it that from dark to dark with no problems.