they were the ics hunters. Now that I think about it I think I was expecting too much of them. Two of them broke when I was pulling them - I wiggled them side to side to try to free them and I know carbon arrows do not like that. They both broke off near the tip.
I want to use something available locally which limits me to bemans, gold tips, or eastons. I would try gold tips but according to their web site the 500s are only 30" long, which is too short. I guess I will just get another dozen bemans, since I don't want to spend the $$ for ACC arrows.
Mark