I have had a few of Johns bows over the years, one was a Flatbow with a fair amount or R&D that bow has put a lot of meat on the table over the years, when I blew up my shoulder had to set it down, my son now has it. John was / is probably one of the best unknown bowyer's in the country he could just build anything and they were all pretty darn quick with hunting weight arrows. Just saw one of his Longbows when I visited a shop just to heavy for me. But like all of his bows just flawless.