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Self Bow help
« on: June 29, 2021, 12:59:28 PM »
I am looking for some help. Anyone live near NE Ohio that can help me tiller a hickory self bow? I have made three and need some knowledge and a lesson on how to properly tiller.

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Re: Self Bow help
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2021, 04:09:01 PM »
EDIT
Learning how to Floor tiller is the best way to go.
1 Put the tip on the ground about 12" or so in front of your right foot.
2 Hold the top limb at chest high with your left hand while you bend over a little, the rest of the limb is going under you left arm pit. Right foot forward and left foot back.
3 The grip is on the right and the back is left, shove the tip to the ground ( I use a piece of thick leather 4" square on the ground) while your right hand push the grip left, this will Simulate a string pulling from tip to tip. And you are looking down the bow watching it bend.
4 Scrape any flat spots and draw a X (don't scrap)on places it's bending to much.
5 Stay away from the fades until you get it Braced
6 Scrape and repeat step 2 and 3 over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and more.
A long string for tillering on a tiller tree is the same length as the bow (my way).
7 when you get it braced use a Tillering Gizmo to help find the spots no bending enough , if 1 limb is stronger than the other scrap the whole limb on the strong side.
You bow can be almost finished after doing this.
« Last Edit: June 30, 2021, 08:43:00 AM by Mad Max »
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Re: Self Bow help
« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2021, 06:25:03 PM »
Post pics on here and we can help talk you through it.  :thumbsup:
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Re: Self Bow help
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2021, 06:29:13 PM »
Thank you!!  Awesome start. I will be ready with a new stave in a couple days.. Much appreciated and thanks again!

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Re: Self Bow help
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2021, 07:09:51 PM »
Post pics on here and we can help talk you through it.  :thumbsup:

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Re: Self Bow help
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2021, 08:15:57 AM »
I always sound like a broken record in this respect; make yourself a tillering gizmo, it will greatly simplify the tillering of your bow if you use it properly. You use it after floor tillering when you first go to the long string.

We can't give links here but if you go to the Primitive Archer website and look in the how to section down the start page there is a sticky that will tell you how to make one and use one.

Pretty simple; adjust it to the deepest bend when you start bending your bow on the long string, run it up bow limbs at that setting and it will mark all the stiff spots that need scraping.


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« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2021, 08:44:15 AM »
Sorry Eric, I added (EDIT) that in at the bottom :thumbsup:
Not a broken record, good stuff :thumbsup:
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Re: Self Bow help
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2021, 08:52:35 AM »
I always sound like a broken record in this respect; make yourself a tillering gizmo, it will greatly simplify the tillering of your bow if you use it properly. You use it after floor tillering when you first go to the long string.

We can't give links here but if you go to the Primitive Archer website and look in the how to section down the start page there is a sticky that will tell you how to make one and use one.

Pretty simple; adjust it to the deepest bend when you start bending your bow on the long string, run it up bow limbs at that setting and it will mark all the stiff spots that need scraping.

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Warning, it takes most of the guessing and some of the fun Out of tillering.
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Re: Self Bow help
« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2021, 09:30:01 AM »
 Another for using the gizmo. I have used one on every bow I have ever made that was any good. It is through the use of a gizmo that I have learned what proper tiller should look like. Good luck!
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Re: Self Bow help
« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2021, 09:33:06 AM »
Walt I have a really hard time seeing the tiller, I have ADD, my report cards from 1--6 grade always said "Mark doesn't pay attention". Floor tiller helps me and the Gizmo too. :thumbsup:
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Re: Self Bow help
« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2021, 09:42:05 AM »
I did have the Gizmo build and instructions here along with about a half dozen other involved how to pictorials from applying snakeskins to building a bamboo backed bow step by step.

I got banned for telling the truth and sticking up for a guy who had done no wrong, wild man Rob had a tendency to overreact.

When the facts came out it was found that I was right and had done no wrong, I was reinstated but wild man had deleted all my tutorials lock stock and barrel when I was banned and they were just gone. This all coincided with the photo bucket extortion plot, I had all the pictures on file on my computer but I chose not to go to all that work again to rewrite the tutorials and find another photo hosting service.   
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Re: Self Bow help
« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2021, 09:52:25 AM »
I just realized I could copy and paste from another site and come up with same how to because I had changed the picture hosting to IMGUR.

Here goes;


Making and using a tillering gizmo;

Easy to make, a "1X6" piece of softwood, drill a 5/16' hole in the center and a 1/2" hole about halfway through the wood on top of the 5/16" hole. I use a Forstner bit for the 1/2" hole but any bit will do, the holes can be drilled off center and sloppy and the tool will still work just fine.

Having made a variety of gizmo lengths I have found a 6" long one works the best.





Tap a 5/16" nut in the 1/2" hole, I used to use a dowel then started using a 1/4 bolt to tap the nut in because it did a better job. I did find the bolt head would slightly deform the brass nut I use and it would thread on a pencil well. Now when I make a gizmo I run a 5/16 18 tap through the nut to make sure the threads are sharp for screwing in the pencil.



I cut the excess wood off the block to this shape so the tool will go further up the limb without string interference.



Screw a golf pencil in the nut and you are good to go.

A blunt pencil works the best.

Here are the instructions I send out with the tool;

After floor tillering your bow, bend the bow slightly on your tillering tree or tillering stick, I start at about 3” of bend using the long string. Retract the pencil in the Gizmo and run the wood block up the bow’s belly and find the widest gap. Screw the pencil in the block to a point it is almost touching the bow’s belly at the point where you found the widest gap. I change the sharp angle the pencil has been sharpened to a blunt angle for the best results in marking the limb. This lets you work very slight bends.



 Run the Gizmo up the belly making sure it is centered on the limb. The
pencil will mark non bending areas that need wood removed.  Start on the long string, continue at brace and up to about 20” of draw. You do need to have a way to hold your bow string while you mark the limbs with the Gizmo. The first pass with the gizmo should only mark the high spots,  if the pencil marks are really long and mark most of the limbs back off the adjustment a little. If you get short marks on one limb and long on the other this shows you have one limb stronger than the other. In this case scrape the long lines on the stiff limb to bring it closer to the weaker limb for further checking.

                                                                                                                                         


I have holes in my tillering tree and insert a 3” piece of dowel in one of the holes to hold the string with the limbs slightly bent while I mark the limbs with the gizmo.



Go slow, no more than ten scrapes on the marked areas of the limb, flex the limb 30 times and recheck. My bow limbs tend to be slightly round belly so the Gizmo only marks the top of the crown on the limbs belly. I scrape the marked area as well as the rest of the limb side to side to keep things even. You can get the limb bending perfectly this way. You will still have to eyeball bending in the fades but the rest of the limb will be perfectly tillered, hinges will be a thing of the past.

I adjust the gizmo one time on the long string and set it to the deepest bend on the weakest limb. I use this setting for both limbs. If you continually adjust the gizmo you will chase weak spots up and down your limb. One adjustment and hold this adjustment until you have removed enough wood to the point that can run the gizmo up both limbs without making a mark. As you increase draw length readjust the gizmo.

 Make a few passes with the gizmo on your limb and the areas that need attention will be perfectly obvious. You can fine tune the tillering by closing the gap between the pencil and limb to almost nothing. At this point I like to use a cheap orbital sander to remove both wood and any tool marks that are left. With course sandpaper, the sander will leave tiny swirls in the wood so I like 220 grit for my final tillering work and follow with a light hand sanding.

The gizmo doesn’t work in the fade out area of the riser so you will have to eyeball the bend in this area or put a flat board across the back of the bow in your tillering tree and watch the gap between the back of the bow and the board to see where the limb is bending.   

Tillering that once took me hours to get close  takes me about 45 minutes with the Gizmo and the end result is close to perfect.

Remember the key thing to proper tillering is using a scraper or sand paper. If you ever get the urge to grab a course rasp or use a belt sander to speed things up even more, take a coffee break and come back when these thoughts have passed.
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Re: Self Bow help
« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2021, 09:54:21 AM »
I put the same instructions in the how to section as well.

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Re: Self Bow help
« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2021, 11:42:05 AM »
 :thumbsup: Thanks,  Eric.  Yer a good guy.
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Re: Self Bow help
« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2021, 06:07:57 AM »
Thanks Eric. Great information and I will get started on the Gizmo today...

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Re: Self Bow help
« Reply #15 on: July 04, 2021, 03:22:42 PM »
Finally had time to put the Gizmo together.. Once I get one of the staves down to ten percent I will rough it out. That's all for now. Waiting on the wood.

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