Yeah I shoot my Toelke pretty dang good and shoot about the same type groups with it as I do the ILF. I have it bareshafting excellent at 20 and almost tuned to perfection. With that said it just doesn't really hit with my eye and takes more effort to get the arrow to go where I want. I have changed arrow length and everything but I just can't get it to hit where I'm looking unlike the ILF.