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Author Topic: Mock Scrape Strategies /Successes and Failures  (Read 1623 times)

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Mock Scrape Strategies /Successes and Failures
« on: August 05, 2022, 08:53:21 AM »
Typically, I set approximately 10 mock scrapes a season of varying types.  The percentage of frequently used mock scrapes is quite low...possibly 10%. ...plan to incorporate a different strategy this season based on my past experiences and information gathered from others.

Will list findings from past Year's experience and proposed strategy and hope to adjust based on successful findings from other Trad Gang members.

Please list your findings if you are inclined to share?

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Re: Mock Scrape Strategies /Successes and Failures
« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2022, 09:56:08 AM »
I have made scrapes in past years that completely fail and have a couple that have become an every year thing. Those 2 I put ropes with scent on and cameras and see deer all year long.

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Re: Mock Scrape Strategies /Successes and Failures
« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2022, 11:15:15 AM »
Friend, have you tried wicked wicks???

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Re: Mock Scrape Strategies /Successes and Failures
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2022, 11:58:51 AM »
I too have had limited success. the ones that work seem to keep working. However, one year I made a couple that kept disappearing. So I took my climber and climbed a tree across from one before daylight. After daylight, I heard something or someone coming my way. Shortly, this very old man and his little squirrel dog walked right up to the mock scrape and began covering it up etc. So I finally spoke and said, "It's not a real scrape!" He just about fell over and I felt bad about scaring him. But he hurried on and I never came back.

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Re: Mock Scrape Strategies /Successes and Failures
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2022, 12:21:22 PM »
The only thing I've done is pull a branch into position or just create an overhang.  I don't use scents hardly at all.

What I will do faithfully is try to find the the most recently used naturally occurring scrapes.  Find a wet one, and hunt it.
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Re: Mock Scrape Strategies /Successes and Failures
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2022, 01:30:12 PM »
Skates 2...Have used wicked wicks for many years...
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Re: Mock Scrape Strategies /Successes and Failures
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2022, 01:37:54 PM »
Friend, good stuff!

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Re: Mock Scrape Strategies /Successes and Failures
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2022, 03:32:35 PM »
Bucks up here don’t seem to revisit scrapes much. Something I have found that works fairly well is moving a fence post rub or tree from one area to a totally different spot, miles away. Bucks seem to visit more wondering who the bucks are leaving this new scent.

Shot this one by mistake a few days after this pix was taken about 100 yds from the post. Was a foggy afternoon and he looked bigger. Bummer as I wanted him to grow a few more years. Only a 3 yr old. 130” class 5x5
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Re: Mock Scrape Strategies /Successes and Failures
« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2022, 05:14:18 PM »
Well Scott, looks like I'm killing another thread for ya.

I did have another thot. When I first started using trail cameras I put a few mock scrapes out. I got a lot pix early, before and start of the season. I wonder if residual human scent smartens them up eventually. I think they get used to (and avoid) bottled scents after a while as well.

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Re: Mock Scrape Strategies /Successes and Failures
« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2022, 10:48:07 AM »
I use vines to hang over mock scrapes similar to Jeff Sturgis teaches. I have had pretty solid success in getting deer to work the scrape consistently but it all depends on location. I use mock scrapes mostly just for trail camera use and to get good pictures or videos of the deer I'm hunting. I honestly don't think you can make a mock scrape that will pull a deer more than 10 yards. Big deer just aren't goin to go out of their way to work my scrapes.

I will take the vine or whatever you use for the overhanging limb and place it in as high traffic area as I know of. Whether it be a park or wherever. You will need to set a camera on it to make sure it is getting worked by multiple deer. (You can spray a little vanilla on it to get it kick started.) Set it and leave it till you need it. Mid Octoberish I will go get that vine and garbage bag it. Be as scent free as possible. If I am hunting a certain buck I will take that vine and make as real of a mock scrape as I possibly can just adjacent to where he spends most of his time. The scrape has to be big and flamboyant. The visual is just as important as the smell in my opinion. 9 times out of 10 after transplanting that vine in a new area I can get a 2-3 day flurry of activity.

As a side note I do live in a low deer density area and do not find a great deal of scrapes where I hunt.

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Re: Mock Scrape Strategies /Successes and Failures
« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2022, 11:29:46 AM »
Scott:
I have a few good ones going. I used Smokey's orbital gland scent on some branches that are the right height along the edge of some woods. Before I put the scent on the branch I stripped the branch a little but to make it look like it had been torn up a little by the deer. Under the branches I raked the soil bare to look like a scrape. Every few weeks I put more Smokey's on the branch. I wore rubber gloves every time I handled the branches. During the next rut I had lots of photos of deer using the scrapes and the branches. I now have a line of scrapes to hunt that the deer are maintaining for me because they are using them as natural scrapes. All that is left to do is set up a stand downwind within range.

I hope this helps get things going for you.
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Re: Mock Scrape Strategies /Successes and Failures
« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2022, 12:51:10 PM »
I'm another Jeff Sturgis follower.  I have used his methods for setting up scrape spots and they work well.  More scrape spots is not better.  You want your scrape spot to be the object of the buck's attention and a destination.  I hang a section of vine where it creates an overhanging branch right in the middle of their customary travel route.  I scrape the forest floor clean and pee in it.  Usually I start getting pictures an a day or two and the frequency of visits tends to increase as the season progresses.
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Re: Mock Scrape Strategies /Successes and Failures
« Reply #12 on: August 07, 2022, 06:12:10 PM »
Our heat index is 101 right now even though they were predicting 107 today. Either way, I'm standing guard over the A/C and just saw this thread. I wanted to mention something a lot of guys don't consider when setting up on either a mock scrape or on a natural one. ALWAYS consider the exact location of your stand according to the wick or overhead branch. I'll use the example of a mock scrape here in order to best describe my theory. Bear with me as it might not be easy to follow the concept.
   Say you are looking north and addressing some kind of northerly wind direction for your hunt. In this example, there's a deer trail running east/west and you're facing north. You pick a spot that will be a natural bottleneck funneling the deer movement east/west right in front of you. I'm not going to get into the basics or details of the actual mock scrape itself because this isn't what this is about. Although I will add I am also a believer in my mock scrapes themselves tending to be on the larger size (in diameter) in order to visually attract more attention than 18 or 20 inch diameter scrapes. I tend to open them up to three feet or so and right down to bare dirt. I use what they call a two-prong garden hoe. It's got a 3" to 4" hoe blade on one side and two pointed prongs on the opposite side. It works perfect and I highly recommend everyone having one.
     Anyway, back to the situation. I rake my mock scrape pretty much straight north of my stand preferably at the pinch. I like them to be 12 to 15 yards away. Now, here's the important part. Bear with me on this description as I hope I can word it so you understand the concept. Most guys don't take into consideration the EXACT positioning of the wick or added overhead limb. Again, in example, the deer trail is running east to west; the scrape is pretty much centered right on that E/W trail. Without thinking, some guys will hang the wick or overhead licking branch on the STAND side of the E/W trail, i.e. the south side of the scrape, in order to give themselves a slightly closer shot. Major mistake. What happens is the buck comes walk down the trail (E/W) and steps up to the wick or licking branch that is literally two feet off the side of the scrape (to the south of the scrape). This ends up with your buck facing the wick/overhead limb, and only offering you a frontal or quartering-to shot. Not only that, but he's also got his head tilted back in extension looking right at you while he works the over-head. You can't blink, no less draw your bow undetected. So, there you go... you put all this work into this; lost sleep dreaming about it; possibly the biggest buck of your life; he follows the plan perfectly; he's standing there at 12 yards. But a very minor mistake on your part offers you no shot (or poor shot angle at best).
     I know it doesn't sound like a big deal, but if you would hang that wick, or overhead branch literally 3 or 4 feet to the north, on the opposite side of the E/W run (and scrape) it would dictate his body offering you the much-preferred quartering away or broadside angle, and his eyes not facing you. That little tidbit will increase your chances for success 100%.
     Oh, one other thing I want to mention. It seems I'm always experimenting with stuff. I've used the vines; hemp ropes; cotton ropes and even 1.5 inch diameter anchor ropes discarded down at the ocean/fishing docks. This year I'm experimenting with... believe it or not, BBQ basting mops. They are those little, miniature mops that chefs use to bast the spareribs down at the BBQ shack. The ones I got have a 16-inch wooden handle with the cotton string mop-head. I got mine on ebay, in a six-pack for $10.99 and free S&H. Do a search on Ebay or Amazon for them. Hanging one of those within the leaves of a freshly cut overhead branch could work well. Add a little of Smokey's Pre-orbital scent to the mop-head and let it do its thing. We'll see. If the basting mop doesn't work well, I'll go back to the free ropes and vines and I'll be out of $$ eleven big ones! Ha. Best of luck to all. BW aka UB

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Re: Mock Scrape Strategies /Successes and Failures
« Reply #13 on: August 07, 2022, 06:38:48 PM »
Good job on the explanation Barry! Even I could understand it.... :smileystooges:
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« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2022, 12:14:20 PM »
And there ya go ........  Thanks Barry!
Makes perfect sense to me now with that explanation but absolutely something too easily overlooked. :thumbsup:
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« Reply #15 on: August 14, 2022, 06:36:34 PM »
Set five vine mock scrapes last week....5 more planned for this week...
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« Reply #16 on: August 14, 2022, 10:03:25 PM »
Got it          THANKS
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« Reply #17 on: August 16, 2022, 03:55:09 PM »
Yep, wicked wicked from Smokey's is the best!!!
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Re: Mock Scrape Strategies /Successes and Failures
« Reply #18 on: August 27, 2022, 04:53:40 AM »
Have ten hopefully, well thought out vine scrape positionings set. Just now setting cams....have deer tracks in the few that I have revisited to set cams.
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