Prefer Aluminum shafts over carbon? Tell me why.....

[RIVERWOLF]

...not to drift "much" off topic;^)
On the nock fit.....I actually had a few conversations in the last few years with a Rep from Bohning about just that.  It has been pretty obvious over the last 10 years that the manufactures are drifting /moving toward completely replacing glue on nocks for Aluminum/carbon/glass shafts.
Easton with the uni-bushing. 

I love glue on nocks for several reasons.....Cost-durability-fit as in "string to nock"... With the uni-bushing system, we are VERY limited in choices , and even more limited in how they fit our standard stickbow strings . (Yes I know about and have tried the skinny strings...I'll leave that to another thread;)

My request/suggestion......If they are going to go full out uni-bushing systems...then Bohning  should engineer/design a universal uni-bushing NOCK....as in offer all the various nocks/nock fits in a uni-bushing style nock.   Say the Classic index nock in a uni-bushing system !

They liked the idea , and stated the upfront cost would be great , but likely something they would eventually get to .   

So my suggestion to you my brothers & sisters , contact bohning & Easton with these request...until they take notice of the issue.

I really don't like the uni-bushing system for a few reasons....FIT & cost being the weight of the issues.  ....but , give me my Classic index on that uni-bushing system and I can live with that..
Another option would be someone to design/manufacture an adapter to fit all the uni-bushing systems/sizes that allows the usage of glue on nocks. Have been several in the past in Very limited sizes...

We will always need the glue on for wood shooters that don't do self nocks, but with  Aluminum and even carbon....getting the manufactures to make what we want/need is the only way to fix this issue with nock fit.   

Heating nocks, adding dental floss to the serving , etc...etc.. will work , but it's only treating the issue. Fixing the nocks cures it ......Just something to think about ....then act upon , and contact Bohning & Easton ....jm2cents... 

[dnovo]

Let me start by saying I have zero experience with carbon as I've never had any.  I've been shooting for a lot of years and have used aluminum and wood extensively. I shoot almost all wood now and have for quite a number of years. Like 30+. Before that I shot a mixture of wood or aluminum.
I've just never seen the issues some mention with aluminum. My observation is that  guys would chase speed with compounds before carbons were widespread and would shoot the thin wall aluminum which would break easily on a hit that my 2018's or 2020's would just shrug off.
The choice of what I shoot is not dictated by durability on poor hits. It's based on what works for me and aluminum will always be in my arsenal as it is so easy to buy the correct spine and it's always the same. I'm not a fan of the new nocks as all of mine are still the swaged shafts where I glue on the same nock as my woods.

[DGW]

I prefer woodies for hunting shaft, but 3D shoots can be hard on them. Have shot aluminum for practice ,3D shoots and hunting for over 40 years. Over the years have used lots of different spine Easton shafts and 2016 or 2018s  shoots great and easy to tune out of my longbows and some of my recurves. I agree with a lot of said in posts above, but have been straightening aluminum when needed for most of the 40 years shooting and have also taken game with arrows that have been straightened , must not be good enough shot to know I should junk them. Had a dozen carbons they were a pain to get tuned and gave them away to some one that wanted them.

[Wudstix]

I like Ralph's idea of an adapter for the uni-bushing to allow glue on nocks, might be less costly than developing nocks to fit the system.
 

[DGW]

Not sure if still available from Easton, I have had these a long time. But could remove the bushing and glue these on for nock of your choice.

[MnFn]

Consistency and weight, but I do like FMJ also. I was shooting 400 FMJ out of my 51# Black Widow PSA today, and they were flying great.

[RIVERWOLF]

Hey Dan (DGW)
Yep,
Someone made a couple sizes of the type nock adapters you posted pictures of..Thank you  
   
Someone also makes one designed for carbon shafts made of aluminum. I used those with a dozen carbon shafts I purchased yrs ago. 3 Rivers might still offer those,and yes ...they fit directly into a specific dia. shaft . So they are very limited in application.... 

That being my point ;^)  Someone needs to develope something very similar in an adapter that fits the uni-bushing system's....Be it Easton or bohning ...or ? 

Could likley be made of various type materials...from pvc-aluminum . Cost and efficiency would likely dictate that...

Contact your retailers & arrow manufactures and be heard on the subject. I suspect bohning would like to keep sales of the classic index going . An adapter would do that .....Likely cheaper to make a couple dyes /molds for adapters compared to several for the various uni-bushing type systems /sizes /nock types.......

[DGW]

Ralph, I agree a insert that fits the uni would work for all shafts with the bushing and would be great. Over the years I have collected a large amount of shafts that will last me a long time I prefer the old Nirk nock on my woods and aluminum.
I always spin all my arrows on my thumb while  shooting to check if straight , works great with wood and aluminum didn't work on carbon shafts a lot did not spin true when new and as said never wanted carbon slivers in my hand or arm when they fail.

[Wudstix]

Daniel;
Also, have a couple hundred wood shafts, waiting.  Also, have @100 - 2219 waiting should I decide to go that route for hogs.  Several dozen 2314 for 3-D.
 

[Terry Green]

I shoot stout bows also 60 to 70 pounds.And I have no need for aluminums anymore for the last twenty years. Aluminum arrows are too fragile.

[Bowsey Wails]

And 2020's use a different bushing and a G-nock. Just like automobiles, more unwanted components means more profit.

[Wudstix]

I find that 2215, 2219, 2314, and 2315 cover most of what I need from mid 50's to 70#.  With 160 grain plus heads.  2314 makes a good flat shooting 3-D arrow, but is probably the least durable.  2215 is good for low 50# bows, but haven't shot that in a bit.  2219 and 2315 are good for the majority of my bows, but really lean to 2219 for weight and toughness.  Really like the 22xx arrows, as a whole.  That being said, I've been rocking the same dozen tapered and footed shafts for two years.  Several pigs have benefited from these arrows.
 

[admixon]

New to the forum and to traditional hunting… so yes, I am a dreaded compound hunter. But trying to convert. This topic is very interesting because I will need some new arrows soon for my traditional bow, I won last year. I did use aluminum arrows back in the 80’s and 90’s with a compound and loved them but didn’t have anything else to compare them to. I bought a dozen Easton Axis arrows in 2018 and still hunt with 10 of the original arrows. The other 2 were damaged and were retired.All this to ask, is consistency mentioned above because of the flex needed to get off the shelf or something or are they just more forgiving to traditional style release? With a compound and a mechanical release, carbon arrows can be stacked at 30 yards in a quarter size group and I would assume the same could be done with aluminum, I just don’t shoot them to make that personal claim. So, is there a difference in how a traditional bow shoots aluminum, wood or carbon assuming they are all tuned properly?
Please be gentle, I am just very curious and want to learn.
Thanks

[Wudstix]

Generally, the shooter is only as good as the arrow.  Bows and arrows are always capable of more accuracy then a shooter can produce.  A hand release will most always be less efficient than a release aid.  Traditional bows off the shelf usually like feather fletch better, an elevated rest changes that.  Getting arrows spined and tuned for you bow is the key.  Shooting accuracy then depends on you.
 

[admixon]

Thanks you for the reply. I am still not clear on if there is a clear advantage of wood, aluminum or carbon, as far a consistency goes. I have a lot to learn and I understand, I have to put in a lot of work on building a consistent shot cycle and release. So, hypothetically if I developed a great shot and for some reason was able to reproduce that shot cycle for 300 consecutive shots. Would there be a difference in groupings from shooting 100 each of wood, aluminum or carbon, assuming each arrow is tuned perfectly. Will a single arrow’s flight pattern change some from shot to shot, or hypothetically everything is exactly the same it should hit the same hole? I realize these are ignorant questions but I want to do everything possible to make ethical shots…. and I will not pull my long bow back on a deer until I can be consistent and confident enough to make ethical shots.
Again, thanks for the help and advice.
Side note I would love to shoot cedar arrows one day but I know that will have to wait.
The bow I won, is a Big Jim Buffalo long bow, 60” 46#@ 28”, and I am shooting off the shelf. I don’t shoot this bow as I am using a 25# Sage recurve to work on developing a shot cycle.

[ESP]

My wish is that aluminum still came 34” long.   With a 31.5” draw I don’t look like having the broad head close to the riser/hand. 

[Wudstix]

You may be able to reach out to Easton and get some custom length tubing, had a friends years ago who did that.