Thanks GA,I kinda had both of these handed down to me.I have a widow pma and then got the collecting bug,dont tell anyone but my widow doesnt seem to have all that compared to either of these,they both shoot real nice,I paid an arm and a leg for the "custom" widow and they missed the overall length by 2".I ordered a 60" and got a 58".They made it right with no questions asked but Im a machinist and if someone asked me to machine a part & I was off by 2" Id be lookin for a job...