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Author Topic: longbow Vs. recurve  (Read 583 times)

Offline kshunter55

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longbow Vs. recurve
« on: August 08, 2008, 12:32:00 AM »
I have shot traditional archery since i can remember "I am only 22 now" only shot my dads long bow a handfull of times.  He always told me the long bow was i bit more difficult to shoot because of hand shock and smoothness.  He still shoots his Asbell bighorn from the mid 80's.  Byron Furguson said they are a bit more forgiving as far as accuracy.  Was Byron Being modest?  Old man still out shoots me easily i guess experience is better then youth.  Let me know what you think.
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Re: longbow Vs. recurve
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2008, 06:37:00 AM »
I have seen many great longbow shooters. I love longbow's (and selfbows, and BBO,s...) but honestly admit I shoot a recurve better. I built a 3 piece take-down longbow that I shoot pretty well but that's almost like a hybrid with the grip I put on it and the reflex in the limbs.
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Re: longbow Vs. recurve
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2008, 07:19:00 AM »
Most people will shoot a recurve better because of extra mass weight and more centershot.A recurve grip makes one grip the bow the same more often than not.That does not mean that some will not learn to shoot a longbow better.To shoot a longbow well you need a strong bow arm to control the bow instead of relieing on bow mass to do it.That to me is the real key to shooting any bow well but is exagerated by a light mass weight bow. jmo
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Re: longbow Vs. recurve
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2008, 07:24:00 AM »
you need more time and more work to shoot a longbow as well as a recurve, that's all, and I personally love the extra work and I'm lucky to have the time

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Re: longbow Vs. recurve
« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2008, 07:29:00 AM »
Personally, I never have been able to shoot a longbow all that well.  I shoot a recurve better for some reason, but even that needs some work.

Just my results, your mileage may vary.

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Offline Daddy Bear

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Re: longbow Vs. recurve
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2008, 07:59:00 AM »
"Let me know what you think."

A heavy stocked and barreled bench rifle will probably be more stable having greater accuracy on paper than a featherweight high country sheep rifle. I doubt that anyone chasing high scores on paper at bench rest distances would bother going the route of a sheep rifle. Flip side, I doubt those chasing after sheep in the high country would go the route of the more accurate bench rifle. This analogy can apply to many hunting/target type weapons such as rifles, pistols, revolvers, bows and arrows, etc.

A long limb for design bow will generally be more stable than a short limb for design bow. Flip side, the shorter limb will generally be faster. A heavier well designed bow will generally be more stable than a lighter well designed bow. Flip side, the lighter bow will probably be quicker to deploy and easier to handle when afield. The list goes on and on.

An Olympic bow would probably be of greater accuracy on a static target face at target distaces than a trim and light hunting longbow. I doubt those chasing high scores would opt for the lighter and less stable hunting longbow over the target rig. Flip side, Those who opt for the sleek and light longbow when loosing arrows onto flushed pheasants or small game within spitting distances would probably be more accurate on game than those who would opt for the Olympic bow. The same stability designed into the Olympic bow to enhance static target accuracy, would now becomes "The Devil" and would make for a stagnant bow when used in a dynamic hunting environment.

So, when someone considered a target guru proclaims that one would probably find greater ease for finding accuracy in a static target environment by using a recurve or target bow, that person is probably correct. But, when someone considered a hunting guru such as Hill or a trick shooter as well as great hunter such as Ferguson(he's taken over 200 deer)proclaims that one would probably find more forgiveness for finding hunting accuracy in a dynamic hunting environment by using a longbow, they are probably correct as well.

The end game for each point of view are worlds apart as are the opposing means to get there. As example, Byron Ferguson developed his style of shooting by sitting in a totally dark room and shooting out the flames of candles. This technique is hard to master but is easier found when utilizing a bow and style that places the arrow shaft close to the hand while using a longbow style of shooting. This goes counter to most any static target principle and/or technique which is why you'll see so many target gurus make fun of Byron Ferguson's practice of shooting candles in the dark. Again, different end games and different means to get there. Both are probably correct within the context of their individual end game and many debates on this topic are probably out of context and apples-oranges in discussion based on the opposing paths. The answer for you will lie upon your own individual end game and your chosen path, not the end game and path chosen by another.

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Re: longbow Vs. recurve
« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2008, 11:43:00 AM »
I have shot recurves and longbows off and on.  Most Archers will shoot a recurve better as stated about for mass weight, and the centershot cut, and the way the pistol grip is set.  I have made the transition totally to longbow and takes a little while to get use to the heel of the hand being down, and the light mass weight, but once you have it, I believe as many that you cann't beat it.  But when it comes to hunting use what you are more comfortable with.  I played with longbows for years, but come hunting season, went back to recurve, just last year hunted with just longbow and have now gained the total confidence personally needed.

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Re: longbow Vs. recurve
« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2008, 02:01:00 AM »
I have shot recurves for the last 50 years since I was 5 years old, but not as diligently as I needed to in order to become exceptionally proficient. I just started shooting longbows a few months ago. I don't have much problem with either and regularly switch back and forth between every round of 3 to 10 arrows. There are specific bows I shoot better than others; however, those better-shooting bows are both longbows and recurves. I also shoot large caliber firearms, so I have never noticed the hand shock or recoil that seems to bother so many people who shoot bows -- especially longbows. Most of my bows are very high end, so maybe I simply have never shot a bow that exhibits the hand shock people complain about. My best group ever in my life was shot last night with a new three piece longbow I received yesterday that was custom built for me by Harold Couch. I shot a group of 4 arrows from a measured 19 yards. I was shooting after sundown and shortly before complete darkness. I could barely see the target and could not see my arrows after they left the bow. I knew I was shooting a good group because I could hear the arrows hitting each other. I had to go up to the target to see where the arrows had landed. One of them was in the very center of the bullseye with two others next to it. Those three arrows were touching. The fourth arrow was about a quarter inch away from the other three. I admit it was lucky, but I had some other very good groups while shooting under similar conditions on the very first time I had ever shot the bow. I also just received a new Holm-Made bow that Chad Holm made me that shoots extremely well too and is very fast -- maybe as fast as my ACS CX at the same draw weight. All of these longbows and others I have recently purchased shoot as well for me as most of my recurves. Many of my bows have different grips, but I seem to adapt pretty quickly to all of them. This isn't rocket science guys. I think the best way to get good with a bow is to buy a good bow and shoot it a lot -- preferably about every day. It's amazing what you can do with practice.

I love my recurves too, especially the Brackenburys and Morrisons, although I have ordered a Brack Non-Typical r/d longbow and some new Morrison Shawnee foam/carbon limbs for one of my two Shawnee risers. People say to shoot what I like. Unfortunately for my bank account, I like too many bows. This is an addiction, you know.

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Re: longbow Vs. recurve
« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2008, 02:28:00 AM »
I like recurves, but longbows are, I don't know how to explain it. The ultimate shooting experience. That's all I could come up with.

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Re: longbow Vs. recurve
« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2008, 08:09:00 AM »
I'm not a partcularly good shot to begin with.  I hear about guys that consistently shoot fist size groups at 25 yards and while I've never personally witnessed that level of consistency, I don't doubt that many are capable of it.  Having said that, I can shoot both LBs & 'curves equally as well as long as I don't switch back & forth frequently. I own both and will shoot one or the other for long periods of time.
    I tend to prefer recuves for nostalgic reasons. Having grown up through the '60s when Bear, Wing, Howatt, and others were at their peak has had a lasting affect on me. To me,no piece of sporting equipment is any prettier than a well crafted recurve bow

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Re: longbow Vs. recurve
« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2008, 08:30:00 AM »
Your going to get many different answers, but I feel each of us shoot a certian style bow better than another. I shoot Longbows far better than, I shoot Recurves, but that's just me.  Shoot what you like best, and what feels better in hand to you.  Lots of practice, and you might beat the Old Man someday, but us Old guy's won't go down without a fight. LOL.

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Re: longbow Vs. recurve
« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2008, 01:21:00 PM »
thanks for the input guys, great answers
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Re: longbow Vs. recurve
« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2008, 01:43:00 PM »
My goal in archery is to be a better hunter. Longbows have been best for me, and I shoot them about as well as recurves. Accuracy with the longbow is not affected as much by a difficult shooting position or flaws in executing the shot. Since hunting situations tend toward chaotic, I'm hedging my bets.

And, also of great importance to me, the longbow makes a much better walking stick!

Having said that, right now I'm contemplating hunting with a recurve this year. I'll take it on a couple of judo roves before I decide for sure, and shoot it out of my ladder stand at odd angles. Being seduced by the curves.
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Re: longbow Vs. recurve
« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2008, 02:19:00 PM »
Just shoot for one year, or so. But 90% I shot longbows (5 till now,: 1 selfbow (broken after 1200 shots), 1 hillstyle (love it most), 3 reflex/deflex (1 bad, 1 o.k., 1 very good). Now I have 1 Recurve (I don't shoot it, don't know why), 1 reflex Hill-Style (shoot it most), 1 reflex/deflex (it outpenetrates (right word?) the reflex Hill-Style, which is 9# more in drawweight).
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Re: longbow Vs. recurve
« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2008, 06:45:00 PM »
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Originally posted by kshunter55:
I have shot traditional archery since i can remember "I am only 22 now" only shot my dads long bow a handfull of times.  He always told me the long bow was i bit more difficult to shoot because of hand shock and smoothness.  He still shoots his Asbell bighorn from the mid 80's.  Byron Furguson said they are a bit more forgiving as far as accuracy.  Was Byron Being modest?  Old man still out shoots me easily i guess experience is better then youth.  Let me know what you think.
Here's my take;

One of the big difference's between the LB and the recurve is the thickness of the limbs. If you take both a LB and a recurve, rest them on your boot and twist on the other tip, the recurve limbs will flex a lot more. The LB thicker limbs limit limb twist, thus in theory, increasing repeatable accuracy.

Then you get into grips. Some folks prefer shooting with a high wrist (like myself) and struggle when shooting a broken wrist style grip (straight LB type grip). Modern LB's can be had with recurve type grips.

It's all in what works for you. Try different styles of bows untill you find one that fits you like a glove and then shoot it like there's no tomorrow.  :thumbsup:  

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Re: longbow Vs. recurve
« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2008, 06:45:00 PM »
Gave up on longbows.  Maybe this time for good.  I've had several great longbows and the poor shooting was not the bows fault.  I can shoot a longbow well enough on a good day but I can't do it consistently enough to have the confidence I want in the field.  I shoot three piece take-down recurves.  Mass = good, medium/high grip = good, center shot = good.  Now if I can just stay convinced!  No doubt about it, there is a romantic allure to the sleek longbows, but purty don't feed the bulldog.
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Re: longbow Vs. recurve
« Reply #16 on: August 13, 2008, 08:38:00 PM »
longbows are great you just have to work a bit harder thats all but most of all have fun doing it. may the force be with you young string walker  
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Re: longbow Vs. recurve
« Reply #17 on: August 13, 2008, 08:45:00 PM »
The definition has changed so much on longbows over the past twenty years that it's hard to tell some of them from recurves.  Any of the bows out there will work very well if the shooter puts in the time to learn the nuances of each one.  That being said, the recurves are generally easier to be accurate with due to smoothness and mass weight.

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