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Author Topic: Do you use Scent Blocker or Scent Loc (answered)  (Read 1286 times)

Offline Daddy Bear

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Re: Do you use Scent Blocker or Scent Loc (answered)
« Reply #60 on: September 06, 2008, 09:11:00 PM »
You may not be interested, but I believe you do have the option of adding your name to the suit. Being that the scent blocker was purchased for your use, you may be considered one of the victims in the consumer fraud litigation. I think there was a link somewhere in the shortcuts I posted to contact a representative of the legal team.

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Re: Do you use Scent Blocker or Scent Loc (answered)
« Reply #61 on: September 06, 2008, 09:26:00 PM »
I might have missed it but all I saw was Scent-Loc, Cabela's, Gander Mt.,and Bass Pro.

Here's a link to Scent Blocker and how it works. I think it's interesting reading.
  http://www.robinsonoutdoors.com/osc/scentcontrol.php
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Re: Do you use Scent Blocker or Scent Loc (answered)
« Reply #62 on: September 07, 2008, 09:37:00 AM »
Just reading it with the knowledge of the peer reviewed studies that scientifically proved the required minimum temperature threshold to partially desorb human odor molecules from carbon, I'd say Robinson Outdoors was very careful to cherry pick meanings and words that sound like and imply other scientific meanings and words used in this field, but have a total different meaning. The person who crafted that page probably was a used car salesman wearing a loud plaid suit:)

If they take the VT and Military peer studies to indicate that the temperature required to partially desorb the molecule to be 100degrees F and within the range of a household clothes dryer, they are mistaken. That is 100degrees C on the bottom end! No household dryer will boil water. It is scientific fact that this human molecule is fairly long compared to some of the other molecules and therefore requires a greater temperature for the carbon to be partially desorbed, which is greater than the boiling point on the low end. Above the boiling point, it is scientifically proven to be impossible to desorb all of these molecules without reacing temps well above 1000degrees F. It is also a scientific proven fact that this build up will continue and quickly reach a point where the carbon will become useless without any ability to be partially desorbed. This time frame is very short for even the very best military grade carbon units. They have this point of disposal figured out to a science to properly manage military grade equipment.
 
When you purchased your commercial suit, no matter how it was packaged, it was not manufactured in a sealed environment. By the time it is in your hands, the carbon material has reached its maximum level of absorbtion. There may be some odor molecules that you can partially desorb below 100degrees C at first go, but beyond that, what tiny bit of room you may have left is used up ASAP. You'll never have the ability to heat the carbon to a temperature high enough to partially desorb your human scent molecules and you'll never have the ability to wash your garment. You end up painting yourself into a corner no matter which direction you turn.

If the garment is of high quality construction and otherwise function well when afield, I'd cut out the carbon to avoid hauling around this extra layer which is no more than a saturated scent sponge which cannot be purged. You can then use and launder the clothing as normal:)

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Daddy Bear

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Re: Do you use Scent Blocker or Scent Loc (answered)
« Reply #63 on: September 15, 2008, 05:29:00 PM »
ttt

 Answer from Scent Blocker
Hi Rob,
   Thanks for your email. As with all products, there are naysayers.
And often, the naysayer attempts to use science to support their theory, but
just as often there is an underlying or ulterior motive for doing so. In
this case, the first "scientist" to attempt to debunk carbon suits'
effectiveness and their ability to be reactivated was a guy named Michael
Corrigan, an environmental engineer.  It turned out later that he was a
shill putting out propaganda for another product attempting to breakthrough
in the marketplace - XStatic antimicrobial hunting garments. I'll touch on
that subject a bit later on.
   Basically, from an extremely technical standpoint, the use of the
term reactivation is where the problem lies.  In order to "reactivate" spent
activated carbon, technically means to actually expose it to the same set of
conditions under which it was activated in the first place.  Carbon is
originally activated by very high heat, often accompanied by steam, at temps
in the 800-1100 degree C range. Obviously this cannot be duplicated by our
household dryers.
   The proper term is regeneration or desporption. There are two main
types of adsorption which occur with activated carbon.  One is physical
adsorption.  This is what occurs when a low level volatile such as human
odor is adsorbed by carbon through a process called Van der Waal's forces.
This type of process is a very low energy, non-specific, and easily
reversible type of attraction. Human odor can be purged or desorbed, thereby
"regenerating" the carbon, when the energy of the bond attracting and
holding the contaminant to the carbon is overcome by a greater energy.  And
it has been quite thoroughly documented that the heat of most standard
residential dryers - 130 to 150 degrees Farenheit - is quite sufficient to
overcome this bond. It is by no means a 100% desorption, but is capable of
desorbing over and over many times, purging the odor and providing new sites
for additional human odor to be adsorbed.
   The other main type of adsorption is one where a chemical bond is
created, often called chemisorption.  This is what occurs when activated
carbon is used to adsorb industrial or hazardous waste, and a chemical bond
is created. This is the type of adsorption that is not easily reversible,
and does require very high heat in the neighborhood of 1100 deg C in order
to break these bonds and completely "reactivate" the carbon.  This is what
everyone has latched onto in saying that carbon cannot be reactivated in our
dryers.
   As for antimicrobials, I just want to make sure you understand
exactly how they work and what purpose they serve.  And they do serve a
purpose and can definitely help when it comes to odor control, but they are
not odor eliminating clothing like some would have you believe.
Antimicrobial use in fabric/garments helps prevent the formation of
bacteria-caused odor - in the fabric itself.  They do absolutely nothing to
an odor - they don't trap, adsorb, netralize or otherwise have any affect on
an existing odor.  And they cannot prevent the formation of odor that is not
bacterially generated (bacteria acting on perspiration), there are many
sources of odor that have nothing to do with bacteria.
   I hope this helps answer some fo your concerns Rob.  Good luck, and
let me know if I can be of further assistance.
Regards,
Keith

Keith Edberg
Operations Manager
Robinson Outdoors
110 N Park Dr
Cannon Falls, MN 55009
ph:  507-263-2885
fax: 507-263-5512

   


-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Bingel [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 3:05 PM
To: Melissa Banks
Subject: Question/Comment from Robinson Outdoors Inc


Let me first say I am a huge fan of all your products. On tradgang.com I
posted a poll Topic: Do you use Scent Blocker or Scent Loc . There were many
replies debunking the effectiveness of carbon suits. Things such as
"Extensive testing has been done by chemical engineers who claim it does
work for a while until the carbon absorbs all it can.
Once the carbon absorbs the odors it's useless and requires a temperature of
1100+ degree F to reactivate it. There isn't a dryer made that will put out
that 1100 degree temp to reactivate it." and At one time I had hoped that a
carbon suit could work, but from my experience working canine tracking dogs,
from the military testing, and from scientific data and reports, etc....the
carbon suit technology cannot prevent your detection from a canine, a deer,
or a bear. The commercial carbon suit is already saturated at time of
manufacture and neither a commercial nor a military unit can be recharged
without destroying the entire garment. It is impossible to recharge either a
military or a commercial unit in a commercial clothes dryer.
Superstition and the placebo effect are strong in competitive sports and in
hunting. You could have your lucky underwear or your lucky charm and swear
that you could pitch the baseball faster or could see more game. If it helps
your mental game, go for it. But, no amount of voodoo, polls, or threads can
overcome the fact that carbon suits have been scientifically proven not to
work for the purpose being used when hunting.

What is your answer to these accusations
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Re: Do you use Scent Blocker or Scent Loc (answered)
« Reply #64 on: September 15, 2008, 06:43:00 PM »
Excellent response. Learn something new every day!

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And the song, from beginning to end, I found again in the heart of a friend.

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Re: Do you use Scent Blocker or Scent Loc (answered)
« Reply #65 on: September 15, 2008, 08:02:00 PM »
I waited.. on this...

I bought a scent blocker lite wt suit on clearance bout 6 yrs ago..
Did it work? Yes, but I think it was only partially... Not as advertised.. But I think a goretex suit like the dream season (with closures at the venting areas neck, sleeves, leg openings... would be even more effective cause, the way I see it working is:

The suit is so thick that less smell actually is able to get through the cloth... Gas can't go through liquid unless there's pressure, so it works like a rain suit.. you sweat till its wet, then nothing can pass through the cloth... only at the neck, sleeves and belt area and pants leg openings...

But where I hike in, carry a stand, get up the tree.. I am soaked unless its NOv or Dec and then I am sometimes...
Expect the best. Prepare for the worst. Capitalize on what comes.
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