black widow with bow bolt ?? (update)

[BillW]

Guys, On this I will say that perhaps BW is more informed and has considered more than they are getting credit for.

I can tell you that a bowyer I know well has used the bow bolt system and had certain kinds of riser woods fail. There is a risk that I feel is being disregarded by some here. I hope it is not being disregarded as an attempt to bash BW, rather just not knowing that even though the bow bolt is a neat system some bowyers/riser configurations have had issues.

Now as an engineer I can explain why. First you need to look at the riser design and potential stress points. Then you need to look at the kind of riser wood and its inherent strength values. If you have a design that cannot be pocketed out without causing a weakening effect, you have a problem. If all riser woods are NOT created equal (they are not) then stress calculations/factors change and some woods won’t bare the same load as others………… Either condition can incur a failure and it is just a matter of material and structural design of the riser.

Hope that seems clear.

I am not knocking the bow bolt. Yes, I am a BW bow owner and I have had a great experience with these guys over time, so my willingness to see their side is probably more acute.

Keepem flying

I like antler knobs as well. In fact Frank S. makes the very best Ive seen!

Bill

[fatman]

if'n ya REALLY wants a Widow, and ya REALLY wants a two-piece, they DO make the PSR in a takedown....  

[Jedimaster]

Can't bash BW, because I've owned a few.  They make a fine product and have terrific customer support.  I just understand Jamie's point.  You want something - that's all.  It's frustrating and funny at the same time.  The grip is right for those of us that shoot that type best and it eliminates the things we didn't like in the PSA series.  It is a desirable bow that in our opinion would be more desirable if you could take it down for travel - that's all.  

Add to the afore mentioned that we happen to like the bow-bolt, so it is natural that would be our system of choice.  Jamie's only point of contention was the way they said "no".  I didn't perceive any lasting frustration and I certainly hope my post weren't viewed that way either.  There are lots of things to want, this is just one.  Still like them BW's!

[Crash]

You would think with all of the glue lines in the Widow and the width of the PA below the grip that it wouldn't be a matter of strength.  It might be a pain to put in for them though.