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Author Topic: Ever have a woodie fail on impact?  (Read 1933 times)

Offline stilllearning

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Re: Ever have a woodie fail on impact?
« Reply #40 on: March 14, 2007, 10:36:00 PM »
Interesting.  I had no idea that you had to seal the arrows but it makes sense.  I am comming up with a flood of questions now.

Now do you need a special sealer or do you use varnish or is it again a personal preference that with time and trial and error you find what you like?

Is there one type of wood that is easier to find the right grain in or not realy, you just have to check it over carfuly?

Lets say the sealer some how weakens and you find a small crack in the wooden arrow.  I have seen some pics of carbon arrows shattering, will that cracked arrow do somthing simmilar?  Will that wooden arrow do the same type of damage to your hand that the carbons do?

how many differnt types of traditional bows are there?  I mean take down, recurve, long bow.... they are all classed as trad right?

Some of these questions may be out there but I just know less than nothing about trad shooting.  I like to shoot the recurve from time to time as there seams to be more you have to go by feel on instead of using so many gagets.  Is that part of the hole thrill that I enjoy when shooting the recurve?  Now that seamed like a dumb question but................ oh well.
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Offline ChuckC

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Re: Ever have a woodie fail on impact?
« Reply #41 on: March 14, 2007, 11:13:00 PM »
Wood arrows are more hands on, for sure, but not bad.  And many of us like it that way. You should always inspect your equipment routinely, especially your arrows, as they take a ton of abuse.  If you do as some of us trad gangers do and go roving, or stump shooting, you can really knock those arrows around.  In that case, I will  often check my arrow for damage after each shot, just to be sure it is not cracked.

Still, wood arrows are not quite as sturdy as carbons in some ways, but I really think that in others they are.  Aluminums, at least when I used to shoot them, heck they bent if you looked cross eyed at them, and I was just not good enough to straighten them.  Wood arrows on the other hand can be straightened relatively easily.  I make my own and tend to shoot wherever I want with not much concern about breaking them.   I am amazed at how few I actually break.  When I do break one, it is typically not from straight on  contact, but rather, from the tip hitting something at an angle, which often causes the shaft to break right behind the head.  Other arrows materials do the same, I have seen this.

When you find worn areas, or your fletching is getting ratty, or the sealant is getting worn (note...this is not really that easy, they take a licking) you can, and should refinish them.  You can get as extravegant as you wish or simply dip them into a tube of any of a number of sealants.  I like to use Watco brand danish oil, which I just wipe on, then wipe off, using a rag.  Not really difficult at all.

I have seen only a couple broken arows do a number on someone's bow hand, but it sure can happen just like with other arrows.  My wife actually had a broken wood shaft penetrate her hand and poke out of a finger upon release.  Not fun.  

A wood arrow, if it breaks like that, will generally break into a point, not shatter into all sorts of fibers like earlier carbons did.  I am guessing the newer woven carbons won't break the same way.  Usually they break on release either because they were already cracked from hitting something, or the grain of the arrow is severe and breaks our on the side of the shaft, instead of running all the way from one end to the other.

We tend to stay away from arrows whose grain runs that poorly.

In general, traditional bows are broken down into longbows and recurves.   You can go deeper than that and break out some more groups, such as self bows but these are typically part of one of the first two groups.  How the bows are made seem to be much more of a descriptor.

Having fun here, keep going.
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Offline Molson

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Re: Ever have a woodie fail on impact?
« Reply #42 on: March 15, 2007, 12:17:00 AM »
Here's the thing about wood; it requires your attention, your experience, and your skill to make it good.  Wood has an energy to it, its own personality or character.  When you've been working wood shafts and wood in general for awhile, you learn to recognize it.  You can't say the same about aluminum or carbon.  They are what they are.  Very consistent and straight.  You can buy XX 75 2117 shafts from anyone you choose and they'll all be alike.  That's why they exist.  They take all the skill away from arrow making.  That's not to say you can't make aluminum or carbon pretty, but we're taking about making arrows, not decorating them.

That right there is the whole attraction to traditional archery.  It about your skills and your ability.  Getting a return on your investment, not just purchasing it.  You don't see too many compound shooter chasing squirrels through the trees launching $10 carbons at them.  And that's too bad because that's one of the most exciting, silly, entertaining, challenging, and down right enjoyable things you can do with a bow and arrow!!  :thumbsup:  

Now come on over Stilllearning and have some fun!  :campfire:
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Re: Ever have a woodie fail on impact?
« Reply #43 on: March 15, 2007, 04:25:00 AM »
"Is that part of the hole thrill that I enjoy when shooting the recurve? Now that seamed like a dumb question but................ oh well."

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Offline Hatrick

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Re: Ever have a woodie fail on impact?
« Reply #44 on: March 15, 2007, 06:15:00 AM »
Molson, Great Post, and right on!

Stilllearning, keep asking those questions. No one here knew the answers until they either asked or did the research. Enjoy the journey.
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Offline stilllearning

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Re: Ever have a woodie fail on impact?
« Reply #45 on: March 15, 2007, 06:17:00 AM »
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Originally posted by Molson:
 You don't see too many compound shooter chasing squirrels through the trees launching $10 carbons at them.  And that's too bad because that's one of the most exciting, silly, entertaining, challenging, and down right enjoyable things you can do with a bow and arrow!!   :thumbsup:  

  :campfire:  
OK I never thought of that and with squirrels eating all the bird food out of the feeder.........  Ok now I need instruction photos on how to build some wood arrows to use in the recurve to chase squirrels in the back yard.  :goldtooth:
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Offline George D. Stout

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Re: Ever have a woodie fail on impact?
« Reply #46 on: March 15, 2007, 08:12:00 AM »
Stilllearning....we are all still learning.  After forty couple years of this I still encounter an epiphany or two every year.  I love cedar arrows.  I seal them with polyurethane and fletch them with Duco Cement.  They are as durable as other arrows, pretty much, if you get the tapers right and points glued on solidly.  Don't worry about asking questions you think may be silly, that's pretty much the way one has to learn.  

There was an article in TBM awhile back that talked of a fellow who took several deer with the same wood arrow.  They are very worthy.

Oh yes!!!  Hunting squirrels is mandatory when you begin to shoot stickbows 8^).

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Re: Ever have a woodie fail on impact?
« Reply #47 on: March 15, 2007, 10:01:00 AM »
Stilllearning.  We're happy to answer your questions, of course, but you might consider picking up a copy of volume I of the Traditional Bower's Bible, or The Bowhunter's Handbook by T.J Conrads. Either will answer most questions that one might have about traditional archery.

Offline Hatrick

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Re: Ever have a woodie fail on impact?
« Reply #48 on: March 15, 2007, 06:44:00 PM »
stilllearning, if you PM me with your address I'll send you a video on making wood arra's.
 
 
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Re: Ever have a woodie fail on impact?
« Reply #49 on: March 17, 2007, 06:41:00 PM »
Those are some amazing arrows.

Thank you all for all the information.  I am nervouse about doing this.  Just as eastern how nervous I was fletching my first aluminum arrow.  now that was sad.


Orion funny you should mention that book as I know a fellow that just picked it up reacently.
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Offline Tree man

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Re: Ever have a woodie fail on impact?
« Reply #50 on: March 18, 2007, 12:12:00 AM »
Is this thread about arrows?

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Re: Ever have a woodie fail on impact?
« Reply #51 on: March 18, 2007, 02:40:00 AM »
It ain't about ducks...I've seen a lot lot of woodies(ducks) fail on impact.   :knothead:  

I got'ta start wearing my bifocals.

My only advice about arrows failing, is to wear a bracer(arm guard) while shooting.
I thought somebody might have posted a picture, I've seen, online; with a shattered arrow that splintered and went in the shooters bow arm.

Good question. Take care and have fun!
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Offline DarkeGreen

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Re: Ever have a woodie fail on impact?
« Reply #52 on: March 18, 2007, 04:23:00 AM »
"Ever seen a woodie fail on impact?"

No, but as I get older I find it takes a little longer to recover from archers paradox.  ;)

Offline Ray Hammond

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Re: Ever have a woodie fail on impact?
« Reply #53 on: March 18, 2007, 05:29:00 AM »
darke, darke, darke...tsk tsk!  :biglaugh:
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Re: Ever have a woodie fail on impact?
« Reply #54 on: March 18, 2007, 08:15:00 AM »
Darke, that's funny right there!!
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Offline Guru

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Re: Ever have a woodie fail on impact?
« Reply #55 on: March 18, 2007, 08:18:00 AM »
OMG, that's a classic Darke!   :biglaugh:


20+ years shooting/hunting with wood......no,never
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Re: Ever have a woodie fail on impact?
« Reply #56 on: March 18, 2007, 08:30:00 AM »
I've been biting my tongue on this one for days.  The shortened title, as it appears on the main menu is "Ever had a woodie fail...."   Darke, that was a most excellent response.  Curt, let's see if you still say that after 30+ years!!  And, so as not totally hijack the thread, no I've never had a woodie fail upon hitting the target.  Upon hitting rocks it's sometimes a different story.
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Offline Hatrick

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Re: Ever have a woodie fail on impact?
« Reply #57 on: March 18, 2007, 10:01:00 AM »
Darke, yeah, I know what you mean. When I was younger I could shoot a stiffer spined arrow.
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