I have a warf and a Quarf, both are great bows. The warf I have is a black bear compound riser, Hoyt Sky Jack carbon limbs, #38, but on this riser about #43.Smooth, fast, long brace height so very forgiving, with a magnetic flipper rest and a plunger, one of the quietest most accurate bows I have ever shot. IF you really dont want ILF limbs, I would just buy a Quinn, I have 3, a buddy has 2. They are super smooth, dont stack quiet, and lightweight alum. handle. And a new quinn stallion is around$300, great people to do business with to boot. The quinns have sight/quiver holes, stab. hole, and plunger hole for flipper rest/plunger set up.