DAS -vs- MORRISON (just curious)

[GEREP]

Maybe I'm just bored on this rainy Sunday morning but I have been following the threads for quite a while on the DAS bows and now more recently on Morrison's version of an ILF compatable riser.  It would appear that anyone that has ever shot a DAS is quite impressed with David's work and how he has developed a fully adjustable riser that accepts ILF limbs. To my knowledge, I have yet to hear a negative thing about the performance/manners of his bows (by anyone that has shot or owns one).  On the other hand, I have read many, many posts, quite heated at times about how the DAS bow is something other than traditional, you might as well be shooting a compound, etc.  I even read on one thread on how an individual would no longer shop at a certain traditional archery supplier because they have decided to carry this "non traditional bow."

Now enters the Morrison riser to the marketplace.  This riser is specifically designed to accept ILF limbs.  It is adjustable, although problably not to the extent of the DAS but I dont know...I own neither a DAS or a Morrison.  I have yet to read a negative thing about Mr. Morrison's riser.  Quite the opposite actually.  As a matter of fact, I have read how this has been an idea that was a long time coming and people are lining up to order one. I even saw on one thread where someone asked the question "why didn't someone think of this sooner?"

After this long winded post, this brings me to my original question.  PLEASE, this is not intended to be any sort of debate or fight...I am seriously just curious.  For those that are willing to respond, I'd just like to hear your opinions.  Is the awesome response to the Morrison riser simply due to the fact that it is made of wood?  Is it becuase it because it is made by Bob Morrison, a very well respected bowyer that has been around for years?  In regard to many of the comments that I read and hear about the DAS bows.  Is it truly because the DAS is made of metal and is considered "non-traditional" by many?  I find it quite ironic really that one bow would get nothing but glowing praise and the other well, not so much so.  After all, they are both built on basically the same concepts, they are made to use the same limbs, I think both DAS and Morrison would agree that both bows take an equal amount of work and craftsmanship to make.  As a matter of fact, to the best of my knowledge, DAS was quite instrumental in the the development of the Morrison ILF compatable riser.  

As I said, I don't own either one.  Just for the record, I own and shoot 4 different bows.  I have two Check-Mates that I like very much...both wood risers.  I also own a Hoyt Gamemaster that has ILF limbs installed on it and a Bear Minuteman that I use for bowfishing...both metal risers and I love them all.

What say you?  I'd love to hear your views.

  :confused:

KPC

[LazerRay]

Yea what he said!!

[trashwood]

LOL you not heard me say anything but I have the two finest bows yet made that is the Dalaa and my new Morrison riser.  They compliment my sytle shooting and bow hunting like the just designed for me.  The Morrison for instinctive split finger down in the pig tunnels, the Dalaa for aiming like a big dog and take the spine out of a turkey at 20 yds.

The word "traditional" never enters into my thoughts one way or the other.  Having the skill to pull a femeral autry shot off at 20 yds and it be a high percentage shot is what I thnk about.  Hit a 1&1/2" turkey wingnut every single time at 15 yds is my goal.

It takes both bows to keep me happy.  there is no "VS" to me  

rusty

[trashwood]

I just got thru shooting an indoor league with the Dalaa.  I went from my first game shooting 200 to the last game I shoot 264.  that was 60 arrows all in a 6" group at 20 yds.

yesterday I shot the Morrison out back and in one session eat the center out of my Black Block till it was just a 4" hole thru the center.

would I take one over the other???

rusty

[TJ Jones]

I think people have to decide what is traditional for them. Is glass traditional? Is carbon in the limbs traditional? Are metal risers traditional? Fast-Flight strings? I get kind of amused over all the discusion over what is "traditional". Personally I think metal riser bows,just not my cup of tea,are as traditional as any glass bow.

[James Wrenn]

Well I sold my DAS to buy the Morrison.The only reason was the grip.I could never get the grip on the DAS as small as I wanted it without taking a grinder to it.I like the Morrison better because the low grip fits my hand and the way I shoot just perfect.If for some reason I need to work on the grip I can deal with wood but don't have the tools or knowledge to work with metal. :)If I could have got the grip thing right I would have never switched.Both are great.

[shapeshifter]

gerep- while i have yet to shoot the morrison (my buddy should be getting his any day so i will soon). i think that part of the reason that it is so well accepted is the fact that it is wood. as far as i know, the riser is not cut as far past center as the DAS and i have not yet seen the morrison with a bushing to accept a plunger..... so it is probably not as tunable or as easily tunable as the DAS. the only thing it has in common is the ability to mount ILFs. since the DAS hit the market, many people have experienced the amazing stability that the better ILFs offer and what that stability can do for shrinking groups. this kind of stability is only seen in a very select few limbs built by custom bowyers.  ILFs are very smooth, very durable as well as a multitude of other positive aspects, but to me, their stand out aspect is their ability to resist string torque from release errors thus reducing group sizes.

my opinion to your question is that yes, the positive response is because it is wood and because it is built by one of the most reputable custom bowyers out there....... it fills an important niche. you can get a bow with some of the finest limbs available into the hands of people that would otherwise never have shot them due to fact that all previous risers were metal. that said, i think that most of the people that have these first few risers are fellas that also shoot and enjoy metal risers.....jmo

[GEREP]

Interesting thoughts guys, and thank you for keeping it civil.  Based on other threads that I have seen, this subject has the potential to get out of hand and quite personal.  As I said before, that is not my intention.  I just find the whole thing quite interesting.

There is no doubt about the fact that wood is beautiful...especially when it happens to be worked by Bob Morrison.  I find metal risers to be very attractive in their own way also.  It will be interesting to see how this whole concept plays out.  I suspect that Mr. Morrison is only the first of many to produce a riser that accepts ILF limbs.  I also suspect that many of the commonly known bowyers will also start to produce limbs based on the ILF platform so they can be interchanged on any riser that accepts them.  What an awesome concept in my opinion.  It will open up a host of different combinations of risers and limbs. The sky is really the limit.  What could an Adcock limb bring to a competition FITA archer? Increased speed at lower poundages?  Could that benefit a target archer?  What could a competition Hoyt limb bring to died in the wool bowhunter?  Unrivaled consistency and durablitly in all weather conditions?  Can anyone think of any situations where that might help a bowhunter?  I think we are on the verge of finding out.  In my humble opinion, we will all be better for it.  

Fifty years ago, Fred Bear attempted to put aluminum in limbs.  He, along with a host of others utilized metal for risers.  We currently have risers made of metal, wood, carbon, fiberglass, phenolic, antler and many combinations of those and more.  We have wood, manufactured wood, impregnated wood, laminations of every kind.  Now I even see we have metal combined with wood.  

I, for one am thankful for the likes of DAS and Morrison and Adcock and Bear.    Ultimately, the "traditional" consumer will decide but it sure is a great time for all of us.

   

KPC

[Otto]

Anyone who claims a metal riser bow isn't traditional is merely showing their extreme ignorance.

[trashwood]

as i commented in another thread on the Morris ILF riser......if you already have a target rig with several sets of ILF limbs the Morrison riser opens a whole new world of use for you collection of ILF limbs.  Some of the ILF ya may have in your collection are on the expensive side ($500).  It is a pity to hang them up when you go hunting.  The limbs were designed to shoot more shots in a year the I will shoot in 3 years.  The limbs will take the extra use.  The Hoyt G3s are the smoothest, tuffest, fastest limb I have personally shot.  Not the Bob's limbs aren't better or faster but I have these I put my hard earned money into.......now i get  more return on my investment.  as for the ILF limbs being a few fps slower the the best custom limbs....I just shot my G3's on the morrison riser thru the chronography with Redline 540 cut 28&1/4", 45 mm Kurly vanes, and 60 gr feild points for

231 fps......

I wonder how much faster I need the arrows to be??    

BTW i took the rig out to the 60 yd target butt to find the piont on.  On a hunch I put an aiming mark about 3 feet in front of the 60 yd target.  I careful drew with a split-finger in my smile, made sure I hit my draw and put the redline about 2' over the target.  It is gonna have a point on way out there.

If ya got ILF limbs get a Morrison riser and get tickled pink

rusty

[trashwood]

now there is another story here.  The other side of me is a string walking hunter.  String walking is an aiming system.  You acutally draw the and release the bow down from your arrow knocking point.  Ya use the point of the arrow to aim like a pin.  For each distance you have a "crawl" down the serving that yeilds a point on aim.  this can put a lot of unusal stress on a riser.  You may be drawing and releasing the arrow as much as 2" under the arrowing nocking point for a 10 yd shot.  I have destoried two cutom wooden riser string walking them.  they just weren't design to take the extra, uneven stress a string walker puts on the bow.

So the Dalaa fits the other me to a "T".  The AL riser will take the extra stress and the ILF are tuff enough to not even be taxed by what I put them thru.  The Dalaa is the only bow I have ever had that I could string walk off the shelf and shoot split finger from the same nocking point.  

A real good string walker can give the unlimited feild shooters are run for their money.  It is a very accurate way to shoot.  It can readily be adopted to hunting but ya have to have the bow to do it.  The Dalaa is perfect for string walking hunting.

The rigged up for string walker with a magnet flipper and the plunger tuned properly is giving me consistant 1&1/2" groups at 15yds with a 90 gr first cut BH on.  That is gointg to be the bane of spring turkeys  

rusty

[chuckbowhunter]

As someone who has gone back to a recurve after 25 years with a compound (and I believe there are a lot of us), bows like Das, Adcock, Morrison, Black Swan and others are exactly what we are looking for.  We aren't interested in going back to the stone acge.  We just want to go back to shooting a bow the way we used to, only now they're better.

[Gun]

I just sold my DAS. It had more to do with the physical weight and cold weather hunting. It shot good for me but didn't improve my groups that much. This past season was the coldest I've hunted in a long time. The metal Riser was hard to hang onto for long. I guess just a few small details that added up for me. Just my two cents.

[Naphtali]

I just bought a Dalaa riser at approximately the same price (slightly less) as a Morrison ILF riser.

My rationale was:
- Adjustable draw weight will be useful during practice.

- Aluminum riser will flex less than wood. This "reason" I believe is a nonsense reason, but it did go through my mind.

- Dalaa riser appears to be less bulky. This does not mean it's lighter -- just seems to have less mass. Not having access to a Morrison ILF riser, this, again, is a flimsy reason, but it did go through my mind.
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When the smoke cleared, the ability to practice at about ten percent higher draw weight than I will use during hunting season was the deal maker.

Hope this helps.