1916's to carbons

[Curveman]

My friend is shooting a Black widow longbow, 68" that pulls 40 lbs. at  his 27 ½” DL and an Assenheimer recurve that he pulls 44 lbs.
He says he is currently shooting XX75 1916 arrows well out of both and in the past has shot 1816 arrows with 100 grain field points.

He claims these have been shooting well out of both bows but now he wants to shoot carbons and is getting conflicting answers on what would be the equivalent size carbon shaft, tip weight etc. to at least get him close to what he needs.
There isn't a local store to try out different sizes so I’m looking for recommendations. I've been shooting the same arrows out of my bows for years so I feel ill advised to help him. Suggestions please? Thanks,
Steve

[jacobsladder]

.600 spine carbons.

[Blackhawk]

I think the Carbon Express 90 would work just fine. He may not have to cut them back since they are only about 30" full length.  With 100-125 gr. points, I bet they fly great.

[George D. Stout]

.600 carbons spine very close to the 1916.  

The Carbon Express 90 actually spines .530...and that is 2016 deflection, so it would be stiff.  

The Assenheimer will shoot a stiffer shaft than his 40# longbow, so that's something to keep in mind.  He could use the same .600 but would probably need to weight the ends more.

[Gaff]

a gold tip 15/35 should be good as well..

[jacobsladder]

George D.... your commenting on carbons    :eek:        

and you are totally correct...the ce 90 will be too stiff unless they front load it....the 600 spine carbons will work great..... the 1535 goldtip is a great options because you can use the standard goldtip inserts.... a few of the 600 spine carbons have smaller diameters.... predators, epics, and even the ce 90 has a smaller inside diameter.

Love your recent videos George!

[donw]

blackhawk 2000 series (if you can find 'em)

[graysquirrel]

Carbon express 90's cut to 28 inches with a 125 grain point weigh in at 430grains without any loading of additional weights.  they are flying GREAT out of my 40lb PSAX, my 45lb longbow, my 43lb longbow and my 45lb PSAX.

A lot depends on release, and the shooter. I'd try a few of each before I decided.  If you can get a carbon arrow that has enough weight without all the extra crap of loading them up (which is a pain) you are a lot better off

[trapperDave]

Originally posted by donw:
blackhawk 2000 series (if you can find 'em)

got mine from bigjim

[James Wrenn]

Anything is the 600 spine will be a close match but will be lighter in weight than the 1916.

[George D. Stout]

James if correct about the weight.

Jacobsladder, I'm still a student of the sport;  old George still does some experimenting with different shafts...he is just not sold yet on carbon advantage.  Not to say I couldn't be eventually 8^).

Terry Green sent me an Arrow Dynamics, Trad Lite about two years ago, and I'm still banging it around.  None the worse for wear..the arrow, not me.  I have also destroyed a few Goldtip Traditionals, Vapor 3000 and 4000 in that time.  The Trad Lite has taken some awful abuse and keeps on ticking, and I must tell you I'm impressed with it.

I'm going to buy a couple CX Wolverine shafts at Walmart and feather fletch them to see what abuse they take, and see how they work for accuracy as well.  The aluminums are in my quiver, however, until I find something that works equally well over all.

[the force]

the easton st epic 600 spine from 3 rivers

[BigJim]

hey should be able to shoot the vapor 2000's which are the old shafts (we still cary some) or the vapor 500's which replaced the 2000's or 1535's or even Cx entrada .600's.

most of these would work well. Hey may have to adjust the point weight a little or shaft length a little but they will all work.
The thing with carbon shafts is that there are only a few sizes in each style. They are extremly adjustable though if you don't mind working with them.
The one thing that is hard to account for is his short draw and shuch a long bow. I'm shure the bow shoots fine for him, but he is loosing a tremendous amount of performance by only drawing a 68" bow to 27.5 inches. That being said, the arrows coming off that bow would be slower and should be weaker.

Good luck,  BigJim

[Curveman]

Thanks guys,I really appreciate the help!

The bow was traded to my friend in exchange for some work he did. I helped him buy his first bow which was a used Assenheimer recurve but he picked up the Widow on his own without my advice but the advice of another traditional archer who wanted to give anything but cash for the work my friend did! LOL!