I started with a recurve this year and then went to a long bow first time ever for me. Not shooting traditional or instinctive for 25 years I tried everything. I read everything I could on this site. Watched everyclip of hows my form, and i think I tried anchoring on nearly every part of my body. Today I gave the three under and feather touching my nose another try. I shot sixty arrows today and had a few fliers but I managed to put the majority in the kill zone and even punched the 10 and 12 ring once a round. So persistence paid off and this site was my only source to get me on the path to being one with my bow.