New Black Swan ILF Limbs

[trashwood]

V13 - it is not a matter of trust or faith in someone.  it is a matter of tring to understand how to order and get what you think you are ordering.  DAS attachment system is a very good system.  It was not an ILF system but was retrofit to an ILF limb.  ILF limbs were by standard weighed on a 25" riser (at one time and are still done so internationally).  If on a riser that BS limbs gain 7# and ILF standard gain 14#, it is hard to understand what weight limbs you will be getting if you order pair of 45# ILF BS limbs for your ILF (by international standards)riser.  

Confusing the issue even more trad tech is now offer ILF limbs that are not measured to International standards but on a shorter riser.  Then when someone post a new ILF bow it will get my attention since I have a real fondness for shooting such.  in looking into the bow I now find out that it is not a new ILF bow at all but the limbs can be retofited to an ILF fixture but draw weight may or may not be what I think I am getting.

ILF is an international standard all be it somewhat loose standard.  It is unfortunate that a limbs with the ILF fixture on it may are maynot be what a prospective buyer except in that it may not be weighed on a 25" riser with the usual limb pad angle these days.

rusty

[trashwood]

BTW the DAS system was not a pinned system but was a bolt that screwed into the limb.  the system let the limb change angle and the fixture bolt would adjust to that angle in a small slot in the riser. thus it would not put stress on the pin and pin collar in the limb as the limb changed angles.

rusty

[vermonster13]

The limbs are going to be marked and measured for a standard 23"/25" ILF riser when ordered for ILF risers.

Lenny Arvid has been making bows for 40 years and wrote the original patent for the ILF system he knows what he is doing. The tiller is adjustable which is the main focus of the design, backed out to maximum will lessen draw weight by 4#s.

Rusty I am working to make sure there will be no misunderstandings. The web page is going to be updated to reflect the new name and to not use any limbs but the Swans on his riser.

[Lenny Stankowitz]

Originally posted by vermonster13:


Lenny Arvid has been making bows for 40 years and wrote the original patent for the ILF system he knows what he is doing. The tiller is adjustable which is the main focus of the design, backed out to maximum will lessen draw weight by 4#s.

Very well, I'm just saying I wouldn't be comfortable doing it.  

Would you mind showing a close up side view with the limb backed out to it's "maximum?"  I would be interested in seeing if the different angle of the limb, caused by backing the limb bolt out, pinches the pin in the bushing or lifts it up.

[S. Brant Osborn]

I have no dog in this fight other than I think it will be my next bow purchase.  However I think thaqt it is good that he will not be calling it ILF since the attachments are different.  

I also think that it is good that you can order limbs with the ILF ir DAS attachments to fit those bows.  I dont think it will be as hard to figure out what weight limbs to order if you take a few moments on the phone with him him and explain what you have and what you need.  I have called him a couple of times and always had an informative visit with all my questions answered.  I bet yours will be too.  And if you buy used  I bet a call to him with the info on the limbs will  get all the calculations decifered.

I see the need to keep all of your limbs the same and it looks like he will be able to cater to that and provide another limb choice to add to the assortment of colors allready in the box!
B.

[vermonster13]

Here's the pic.
 

[katman]

V13, can the riser be modified to accept a plunger?

[vermonster13]

Arvid will machine a berger button hole for use with the shelf or an elevated rest, whichever you prefer.

[trashwood]

V13 - I knew you and Arvid know what you were doing.  there was never a doubt.  I just had to figure it out in my mind, which is not always easy   .  

thanks
rusty

[vermonster13]

I mounted my hybrid limbs on my Belcher 15" riser today. Butter smooth. Made a 66" bow. Arvid will be offering hybrids that will make a 60" bow on a 17" riser shortly.

[wihill]

Woohoo!  :D   :D   That means a 58" hybrid on a 15" riser is possible! (now leaving to do the happy dance in the back yard...)

[Lenny Stankowitz]

Thank you for the photo.  Would you mind posting a photo like that, only with the limbs that were shown in your original post?

Best of luck.

[vermonster13]

I set the limbs up from original post with ILF bushings and put them on my Belcher riser. I called Arvid and had him take those pictures just for this thread. The limbs ordered with the ATL risers won't be drilled through like mine are, the ones ordered to be set-up for other risers will.

[artifaker1]

I might of missed something a few posts back; but why didn't the bowyer just put a dovetail in this riser. What is the advantage of not having a dovetail in this riser?
I'm not too sure about the angle of the limb changing over the pin, but I'm no authority anyway.

[vermonster13]

Pics of the limbs on my 15" Belcher ILF.