Thanks for answering Matty, I saw unit 14 was on the suggested hunting list on the state website but it didnt give details of hunting pressure. I plan on coming out next year and I am trying to find a good over the counter unit. I plan to stay the first 2 weeks of archery elk and hope to get a bear tag also. Unit 14 looks like it has some areas that would be great if you hike back in off the roads. I cant find Buff Pass on my map, what is it close to? I was looking at upper soda creek between horsethief pass and soda mtn. It would be great to see a bear also since that is not an option here in ohio, Thanks for any help and your knowledge of the area will really help me alot.