Well, I need help guys!! History, I have used a Loc on Spirit treestand for over decade, just didn't like the low seat. Well it got stolen two years ago, so I bought a Summit Copperhead. Liked the stand and loved the seat, little more to set up but okay. Well, me and buddy went in yesterday at 2:00 and set some stands, went to work that night, walked in the morning to hunt and someone stole the Summit (I found out who and will get revenge, for the strap was frayed). So, my problem is I have been looking at Muddy outdoors Hunter Pro stand and like the looks of it was wondering if anyone used them or have other suggestions? I use hang on stands and hunt public propety with climbing stick. Don't really want to pay more than 150.oo dollars.