Originally posted by Doug Treat: I like to keep my shots under 30 yds. I have taken 5 elk with traditional bows from 25-40 yds. 2 @ 25, 2 @ 30 and 1 @ 40 The 40 yd shot looked like just over 30 to me so I took it, then stepped it off and it was right at 40. The funny thing is I seem to shoot best and the elk seem to be less spooky when I am at least 25 yds out. Closer than that and they are really on edge, I don't know if they can smell something or it's a 6th. sense. I have had elk as close as 5 yds. but the shot never seems to materialize when the're that close. I would rather have them @ 25 than @ 10.