I got my black mx's in yesterday, put on the riser cranked all the way down, mine is a cheap Samick riser,23". The #40 limbs, shorts, still make a 64" recurve, beautiful graceful looking bow. I made a string, tuned it a little and was blown away by how smooth and flat these limbs shoot. I am getting #45-#46, bottomed out, whisper quiet, and I use the same anchor to 40 yards, shoot instinctively, do face walk for some of myl other bows. Havent got to shoot that much but am very impressed so far.