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Author Topic: Drew a tag, need some elk advice  (Read 458 times)

Offline gudspelr

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Drew a tag, need some elk advice
« on: July 03, 2010, 02:20:00 PM »
This fall's going to be my first bowhunting season and I was already really excited.  Found out this last week that I drew for a pretty great elk tag up in Hell's Canyon here on the Idaho border.  The statistics from last year's hunters are pretty incredible and now I'm REALLY excited.  I can't think of much anything except hunting now....

The season is August 30th through September 30th.  I have some work obligations the week of Sept 13-17, so that one will be spent home/work.  My question is, when am I more likely to hit a window for the rut?  I'm planning at the moment to put in for some time off both at the beginning of Sept and the end.  A good buddy told me when I asked, "there are 3 best times to be out there-the beginning, middle, and end".

None of the time in the field is going to be considered a "waste", but if I have to whittle it down, when have you all seen your most successful hunting?  I've heard a lot of things about the rut-it's affected by weather, or light, or lunar schedules, etc. and it's not necessarily the same from year to year.  Even if they're not in the midst of the rut, are they still curious enough to come in to calls or do they just beat feet the other way?  I've never harvested an elk (always rifle hunted before and never during the rut) and appreciate any thoughts you may have.

Happy 4th to all   :archer:  


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Re: Drew a tag, need some elk advice
« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2010, 02:41:00 PM »
If you are able to hunt both before and after the dates you must be at work you will have the best of both worlds.  

There are advantages to hunting early in that the bulls are still in the gathering phase and looking for cows.  And advantages hunting late in that the bulls tend to be more vocal and easier to locate.  Personally, I've had my best luck later in the month, but there are plenty here who do well early also.

Hunt as much as you can, anytime during the month, and you will increase your odds tremendously.  You will learn as you go on where the elk are located.  Keep looking until you find them, then slow down and hunt those areas carefully.
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Re: Drew a tag, need some elk advice
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2010, 02:50:00 PM »
Thanks, Whip-good advice.  I'm getting lucky and the wife is taking the boys to see some family in August which is going to give me 2 long weekends to get up there and do some serious scouting.  I'll hopefully hit one more weekend before that this month, but will have my 4 year old with me, so that kinda limits the hard hiking.  Hoping to get some good sightings just before season and be able to nail down some good areas to focus my energies on.  And a little tid-bit; last year, 84.6% of elk taken (45% success rate) were 6 pt+ bulls.  This being my first elk hunt with a bow, I'm gonna be hard pressed to pass up much anything, but WOW are those some impressive percentages!  Did I mention I can't wait for elk season....?

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Re: Drew a tag, need some elk advice
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2010, 03:45:00 PM »
The week of the Sept. 20th is going to be a great elk hunting week. That would be my choice if you're looking to hunt them in the rut. But anytime is good to hunt elk in that kind of unit! Congrats! The bonus to hunting them early is the big boys don't have all their cows gathered up yet. This means less eyes to contend with!  
I look forward to hearing about your hunt Jeremy.
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Re: Drew a tag, need some elk advice
« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2010, 03:53:00 PM »
Truer words never spoken snag.   :archer:

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Re: Drew a tag, need some elk advice
« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2010, 05:19:00 PM »
check the moon phases,the week of the 7th will be best this year as there is no moon.i have always had my beat rut action during this time as the elk stay out later in the morning.early season and no moon...should be a great combo.if you're just a meat hunter and not a horn hunter the entire month should be good in a good area.every season i try and hunt during little or no moon.good luck.
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Re: Drew a tag, need some elk advice
« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2010, 10:53:00 PM »
I don't know how good of a caller you are but my advice is to put the diaphram call in as often as possible and become great with it.  I don't just try elk calls I make sounds along with the radio and " talk " with it.  Do it when your alone to avoid the looks.
Listen to the elk when you get out and notice the differences in the calls then imitate and even improvise.  I have notice elk in different areas sound a little different.
Last time I hunt in Idaho I actually crawled on all fours toward a bull in full view of his cows.  I just carries on a conversasion using a relaxed tone.  They tended to slide into their calls more than a sharp beginning like over on the coast.
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Re: Drew a tag, need some elk advice
« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2010, 12:53:00 AM »
Thanks for all the advice, guys-I really appreciate it.

BigArcher-will do on the diaphram.  I have one and have practiced with it and drive quite a bit for work, so no one to annoy with my weird noises  :) .

I'm hoping to get two, 10 day hunts in, one at the beginning of Sept, then my work week, then another after that.  From the sounds of it, I might be hitting good spots on both.

I'm really trying not to get my hopes up too much as for harvesting an elk.  I keep trying to remember I'm brand new to all this along with trying to bow hunt elk during the rut.  A whole lot of "firsts" for me.  Whatever way it ends, I'm looking forward to some amazing experiences.  I'm going to be using the bow I built-may need to look at what I wrote on the side a few times "The journey over the destination"....

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Re: Drew a tag, need some elk advice
« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2010, 08:54:00 AM »
I seem to get into more aggressive bulls from the 10th-18th. This is the time right before the rut when many younger bulls are out looking for cows and they seem to come into calls easier.

  Around the 18th is when the herd bulls walk in and take away the cows from younger bulls,sound like a small bull with cows at this time and things get fun for the big guys. Once the rut starts after the 18th the younger bulls have gotten beat up by the bigger bulls and they can be gun shy to come in to calling.
 
 Herd bulls with cows while vocal often are hard to pull away from cows and moving in on them is hard with all the extra eyes. So in general: For calling in and getting into any size bull I like to hunt 1st-18th. For calling to locate and then stalk into a larger elk 18th-end Good luck

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Re: Drew a tag, need some elk advice
« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2010, 09:45:00 AM »
Jeremy, here's a couple methods that can help your odds of success even this year, be persistent & serious & you will do well, I call it Keep It Simple !!

 
  "Keep It Simple" & You Can Hunt Close To Roads!

    To do well on your elk hunt it isn't necessary to be the best caller out there or the most knowledgeable in the field about elk habits & mannerisms. But what you do work on, have it down well.

I would seriously concern yourself with "setups" I call them "Cold or Blind Calling" setups, it's sorta like "trolling" for elk. These are very easy to master & more importantly highly effective yet very doable for newer & veteran elk hunters.

Setups as this can be accomplished by yourself or with multiple hunters by being 20-30 yards apart. Start with light cow calling as if you were a small herd feeding & milling around a designated spot where elk sign is found or not & hopefully elk are within earshot, elk can be a mile away in any direction yet selective sounds & setups can pull them your way. By injecting a single cow whine in the mix, then using a pre-estrus or excited sound 3-4  on mid to low volume in a 15 second span & no more you are now showing other elk that there is a cow in the mix possibly feeling urges of estrus or coming into heat. Add some light stomping & rustling branches & brush to make it real now & then throughout your stay. This can attract both cows & bulls a like as elk are herd animals & can become very curious as to who these others are in the area that they're not familiar with.
After 5-10 minutes of this off & on communication of this supposed group of cows, now inject a small bull or cow bugle. Yes, cows bugle in small groups as this, other elk know this!

Do your best to setup where the wind is in your favor as to where you feel elk should approach from. When possible I like setting up where I have obstructions or large openings behind me where the wind could  possibly give me up. Elk generally will avoid openings or these obstructions on their way over. Too, make sure your setup is one where elk must come within your effective range to see where the sounds are coming from, you need cover here! You need to stay put in one place for a good hour & allow things to develop, be on full alert as elk can show at anytime many times silently! You can do 3- 4 setups as this per day/morning/early afternoon.

Setups as these are highly productive. They can be used all day or part of the morning & evening near feeding areas or transition areas between feeding/bedding.
If a good water source is known or active wallow this could be a great midday or evening place to set a treestand or ground blind. Between these 2 types of setups/hunts you can really up your odds for success with little experience & without having to penetrate the woods miles in, generally all setups can be done within a mile or less from roads or trails. When working these "setups" off roaded areas we simply pick a spot get into the woods where we feel is a good area & sound can carry & call. If nothing productive happens go another 1/2 to 3/4 mile & repeat, continue on until you get action, it won't take long! (grin)

  If you feel the need to pick up your game another level then consider this option that would come into play 10-15 minutes after your blind/cold calling setup. You would now add an "estrus buzz" into the mix only after you have concluded your calling in that 1st setup. This new sound now shows a cow has entered the picture that had heard your previous calling & is now looking for this small herd. This is "making it real" It can really pick at the curiosity of any elk within earshot to come and assist this cow since this is what she is asking for! She wants to find these elk! Other elk will generally come and assist her or try & call her to where the real herd is! Guys we have called many many bulls & cows in with this sound done in this fashion. It's unique & most elk hunters have never used it or ever heard it but the elk know exactly what it means! (grin) Stay at your setup a good 30min after using this sequence, be patient & 100% alert! This is a great Public Land method & can be used in Aug.-Sept.-Oct.

  Here's clip of this sound!  Note the cows urgent tones & actions!

 


Concentrate on achievable setups as this & you'll really enjoy your hunt. Don't concern yourself with knowing all the sounds elk make & trying to understand them all, that can come in time as you spend more time in the field & want to learn more!

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Re: Drew a tag, need some elk advice
« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2010, 09:53:00 AM »
ElkNut1,That was just neat hearing the cow,was the bull going crazy or just following behind her?

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Re: Drew a tag, need some elk advice
« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2010, 10:01:00 AM »
Great info Paul, as always.

Jeremy, do yourself a big favor and go to elknuts website and order the complete set of DVD's.  You will learn more about elk vocalizations from those than most hunters might learn over years of hunting.  They aren't high "shoot em up" entertainment - just solid information packed teaching tools.  Best money you will spend on learning about elk.

Oh, and while you're at it, get the Play Book as well   :thumbsup:
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Re: Drew a tag, need some elk advice
« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2010, 10:32:00 AM »
Whip, thank you for the kind words!

  IdahoCurt, The hunter that took the actual footage called me & asked what was going on in the clip. I asked him exactly what took place for this cow to come in Buzzing as she did? I knew what she wanted but I wanted to hear from him the exact circumstances.

  He said he & his partner had heard that bull bugle at quite a distance away so they cow called a 1/2 dozen times or so, after about a minute of nothing they could faintly hear this buzzing sound from nearly a 1/2 mile away off to their left, it was the cow coming their way from the cow calling she'd heard from the hunters, these guys had no idea what animal was making the sound until they actually saw this young cow.

  This cow was looking for the cows she had heard & wanted to know where they were, she knew she had heard them from that small area. In the meantime that 6-point bull came in to investigate these sounds, he came from a completely different direction than the cow so No they were not together but her sounds pulled him her way to check out this group of elk. The bull was only 30 yds away but they were so engrossed in this cows demanding tones that the bulls entrance (silent) caught them off guard! (grin)

  We use this sound everyear for blind/cold calling setups & it gets awesome results, perfect this sound & use it in its proper setting & you will be rewarded for your efforts! It will pull elk ones way!

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Re: Drew a tag, need some elk advice
« Reply #13 on: July 04, 2010, 04:57:00 PM »
elknut1-

Thanks SO much for the great info.  The advice you've got there sounds simple enough for a dummy like me and makes some decent sense.  Sounds like I'm going to be hunting some areas where I can take off down a trail for a ways (away from anyone else, hopefully) and have some good opportunities to give those setups a try.

That video was pretty interesting.  I'd never heard that buzzing type noise the cow was doing.  I'm assuming that sound's best achieved wtih a diaphram cow call?

Thanks again.  I'll definitely look up getting some of your stuff in the future.

Jeremy
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