I read Dr. Ashby's artical, thanks very much. It seems I'm trying to compare apples to figs. With a compound, in my experiance, penetration is not a problem, so hitting what your aiming at 40 yards or further is. With a trad bow you not only have to hit what you shoot at but penetration is an issue. This may be partly due to, in my case, not being able to shoot a trad bow over 50 lbs. at my 28" draw. I can comfortably shoot a compound with 80% letoff at 65 lbs. at my 27.5" draw. Please don't take this wrong. I am not trying to start a compound-trad war. Don