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Author Topic: I think it is time!?!  (Read 327 times)

Offline wisconsinteacher

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I think it is time!?!
« on: September 22, 2010, 10:29:00 AM »
I think it is time for me to use the recurve.  I have been shooting a compound for years and have been having a hard time.  By this I mean, I have missed the last 6 animals I have shot at.  In the last year, I have missed 3 deer, 1 turkey, and 2 antelope.  So far this season, I missed a doe at 30 yards and hit a doe in the leg at 20.  My problem is when I come back to draw, I loose focus of my spot and look at all the stuff on my bow (peep sight, pins, sight housing).  I think that by taking the recurve, I will be able to focus and have a clean sight picture.  Also, I will be looking for a perfect shot.  What do you think?

Offline Siloutemirage

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Re: I think it is time!?!
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2010, 10:33:00 AM »
I don't have my bow yet but I do have the same distraction problem on my compound. Nit giving up on it but want to shoot trad too. Was thinking of changing my site to a single pin and seeing how that works. But to stay on topic I can't wait for my recurve to come in!!! I'm super stoked to try it out.
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Offline Pete McMiller

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Re: I think it is time!?!
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2010, 10:53:00 AM »
If you can't pick a spot and stay on it with a wheel bow with all the pins, etc. I doubt that changing to barebow is going to help and will probably make it worse - UNLESS you fine tune your form and shot sequence.  

When I am drawn on an animal (or target for that matter) I concentrate on the tinniest of spots and then run through my shot sequence........ bow hand position, string hand, anchor, relax, back tension, back tension, back tension, etc. until the arrow is gone.  You need to block out anything else.
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Re: I think it is time!?!
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2010, 10:54:00 AM »
Fewer gadgets on a stick, but they do require alot of tuning.  Good Luck!
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Offline wisconsinteacher

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Re: I think it is time!?!
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2010, 10:56:00 AM »
I am able to pick a spot until I put the sight, peep, and sight housing in front of my face, then my eyes get distracted.  I will keep working on picking a spot, but man I am having a tough go at it right now.

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Re: I think it is time!?!
« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2010, 11:00:00 AM »
Take your sight off the compound and try it without the sight. Your problem is mental focus on the target.
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Offline wisconsinteacher

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Re: I think it is time!?!
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2010, 11:10:00 AM »
Can you explain the mental focus for me Ragnarok?  I am a little confused.

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Re: I think it is time!?!
« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2010, 11:11:00 AM »
One thing I forgot to mention.  I have my recurve shooting BH right with FT out to 20 yards.  I have been shooting it for a while now and can hit the kill zone on a 3d deer at 22 yards with confidence.

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Re: I think it is time!?!
« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2010, 11:20:00 AM »
Well if you are shooting that good with the recurve now, why even bother thinking about all the bells and gadgets??   Practice and go hunting, you will enjoy the adventure much more I assure you.
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Re: I think it is time!?!
« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2010, 11:23:00 AM »
I'm not Ragnarok but please let me give it a try...lol

1st let me say that Your equip isn't the problem. IMHO

Your mind getting distracted may be your minds way of trying to avoid "Buck Fever".

If you can stay focused(keep your eyes) on the animal or better yet the hair on the animal you want to hit the rest of the world just kind of melts away.

That's how it is for me but Ragnarok may see it differently.

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Re: I think it is time!?!
« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2010, 11:32:00 AM »
Thanks Mudd.  I get what you are saying.  Here is my shot process.  I look at where I want to shoot and draw.  From there, I start looking at the peep and sights.  (I try not to do this because when I practice, I see the spot with the pin floating on it.)  This is where my eye's get confused and I loose my spot.  That is why I am thinking changing to my recurve might help.  I simply have to pick a spot and keep looking until the arrow hits it.  I also have a habit of dropping my bow arm, which causes a low shot when shooting my compound.  I am confused, frusturated, and kicking myself for two misses in 4 days.  Both deer should have not made it off the field.

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Re: I think it is time!?!
« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2010, 01:15:00 PM »
Stay Calm!! Don't give yourself target panic.

It'll come to you and it won't matter which bow your shooting.

Your doing great! You had the opportunity for two shots. There are folks that will go all season and never have that rush.

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Re: I think it is time!?!
« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2010, 01:17:00 PM »
I was concerned too when I read your post that shooting problems with the compound and accessories. This is a mental issue rather than an equipment one. I agree with others, when the references are lost (the sights, peeps, etc.) it is even easier for the mind to wander. I just worry that your traditional experience will go downhill quickly.

However, in your later posts you indicate you are shooting well and have confidence in your recurve shooting. To quote the fellow at Emerald City, ' this is a horse of a different color'!  

If you goal is to leave the compound....then full steam ahead. If you have no interest in returning to the compound I woulnd't concern myself about fixing those shooting problems.

However, you must ((like all of us) make sure your shooting process doesn't lead to problems with your traditional experience.

It is far more important to think about keeping the bow arm and the drawing back active as you allow aiming to happen while concentrating on proper follow-through. In other words, the "back of the shot" is far more imporant than the "front of the shot".

I've been working on this all year. But that's enough about me.  

This is how I deal with aiming. I don't claimm to be an instinctive shot. Whenever, I've shot without sights (1963-1974 with recurves and 1975-1981 with compounds) I was a gap shooter. Now, I shot enough under 30 yards that the gap was mostly a subconscious consideration.  Frankly, many would call that instinctive. It wasn't for me because when I changed to a new distance (let's say 35 yards) I had to program that new gap by shooting a lot.

I was shooting from Dec. 2009-early August this way as I converted from compounds (no shooting issues)to recurve. Then in August discovered "string walking".  I added 10 yards to my effective range in just two weeks by using this method.

First I estimate the range (under 30 yards is pretty easy, under 20 is child's play). Then I place my three fingers under a specific (color-coded) tied on nock locator. This placement allows me to establish a sight picture (I won't call it aiming) that has my arrow point on the deer's heart as I draw and come to anchor. With this picture in my mind aiming takes place. I spend my time thinking about keeping the muscles active, firmly at anchor and then think "thumb to shoulder". I instantly relax my drawing hand and the string goes. My draw hand immediately slides under my ear to my shoulder (but along my face). My bow hand (the most difficult part of follow through for me) allows the bow to move forward, to the side and down a bit. The arrow is long gone before the bow moves. This is the "archery swing" -- just like baseball, tennis, golf etc. there is a swing (follow-through) to the archery shot.

One last tip. It is critical to focus on how the shot felt and how you might perform the shot better next time. This is instead of berating oneself for missing or focusing only on the result. Get your mind thinking about what you want to do rather than what not to do. Think "stay onside" rather than thinking "not jumping off-sides".

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Re: I think it is time!?!
« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2010, 01:22:00 PM »
By the way, "dropping the bow arm" isn't usually what actually happens.  When the bow arm isn't kept properly active --bow hand leaning against the grip of the bow-- the bow arm collasps, either at the shoulder (common) or elbow. Unfortunately this usually happens BEFORE the arrow has been released causing low shots.

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Re: I think it is time!?!
« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2010, 01:29:00 PM »
I know some here don't like this much thought and explanation of the archery shot. Their advice is shoot however you want if it works for you. This is fine advice for some ... until it stops working. Not thinking is probably ok but very difficult to do. Thinking about the wrong thing is eventually diastrous to most archers.

However, I had target panic when I shot RH for nearly 15 years (1981-1996). I now know what caused it and how to prevent it. Archery is indeed simple, until it isn't.

I share all of this because I belive it. It works for me and I've seen it work for countless others. I'm not a coach and I didn't invent any of this.  I have nothing to gain by spending this time other than simply trying to help a fellow bowhunter.

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Re: I think it is time!?!
« Reply #15 on: September 22, 2010, 04:42:00 PM »
Proper practice for hunting is not the same as target practice or tuning practice. Stump shooting does it for me. When the time comes to shoot an animal I just go on auto-pilot and think of nothing at all.
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