tip weight grain

[$bowhunter$]

i am planning on hunting whitetail next year with my 50# ben pearson. im shooting the aluminum easton gamegetters. currently i have 125 grain tips with 20 grain incerts. i thought about getting 100 grain brass insers for the arrows for more penatration. is this the right thing to do to get greater penetration. and advice on what to do is greatly appreciated
thanks,
steven

[House]

Steven- you gotta remember that with any increase in weight at the front of the arrow, the shafts spine will weaken.  If your arrows are properly spined for your bow now, then you will have to get a stiffer shaft if you want to go up 100 grains in the front.

Travis

[$bowhunter$]

ill need a stiffer spine if i just get the insert? if i do i guess the guy at the proshop was wrong. he said i should have atleast 150 grain tips for a recurve and the weight insert wont weaken my spine. i need ne arrows anyays in down to 5. ben squirrel hunting. and advice on where to get gamegetters at a good price?

[Grey Taylor]

Tip weight, wood or aluminum, feather alignment, strings... jeez buddy; get some arrows and go shooting!
You're thinking too much      
Honestly, one of the things that makes trad archery so much fun is its simplicity. On the other hand, if you like figuring out all the details, we're here for you.

Guy

Edit: pro shops rarely know what they're talking about in trad archery.

[$bowhunter$]

yea ive been flinging arrows for 2 years now ( destroyed chipmonk and squirrel population) now and wanting to try and get more serious and get a deer with my recurve. im the only one in my family that hunts ( yet alone with a recurve) so you guys are the people i ask questions to. just glad you guys have enough pactence to put up with me. thanks for all the help

[OS]

Whitetails are pretty soft so depending on total arrow weight your current set up should work fine.  125gr is the most popular trad broadhead weight sold.  I myself like a heavier head just over 200 gr. I have shot deer with all different wieght of heads from 100 up to 230gr heads. Personaly I think 125 should be the lightest you use with 145 to 150 being a nice medioum.  Good Luck!!!!

[rastaman]

Hi Steven!  Put a razorsharp broadhead on the end of those gamegetters and you won't have to worry about penetration!  If your arrows are shooting good with what you have, get some 125 grain broadheads and get them sharp. The deer will fall just like the squirrels.      

[Buckeye Trad Hunter]

If the guy at the pro shop told you that a 100 grain increase in weight at the insert wouldn't affect your arrow spine don't ever listen to anything he says again.  Here is the link to stu millers spine calculator.  Put in your arrow set up and the change the insert weight to 100 grains and see how much difference it makes.
 http://heilakka.com/stumiller/

By the way you don't need a bunch of weight up front just because you shoot a recurve.  You just need enough arrow weight to absorb the energy of your bow.  Best rule of thumb until you get more into things is multiply your draw weight by ten and that's what your total arrow should weigh.

Aluminum should be heavy enough and like others said, if they're flying good and hit where you look, use'em.  Good luck.

[$bowhunter$]

so i think i might stay with 125 grain heads. the spine calculator will not download for me. wouls someone be so kind as to do it for me. just tell me the info you need ill do my best to tell ya thanks

[Buckeye Trad Hunter]

What size gamegetters and how far do you actually draw your bow?  Is it the full 28"?  That will determinr your actual draw weight which will determine what spine you need.

Nock an arrow clip a clothe pin in front of your riser and draw to full draw, measure from the throat of your nock to where the clothes pin is and that will tell you your actual draw length.

Your draw length goes up or down about 3# for every inch you are over or under your bows specified draw weight.

[$bowhunter$]

ok well i shoot a 31 inch arrow factory inserts 125grain tips 50# at 29" draw not sure on arrow weight. hope this helps

[$bowhunter$]

well i pull about 29 to 30" draw. my bow is marked for 45# at 28" draw but used a scale and its a 50# at a 29" draw.

[Buckeye Trad Hunter]

What is the number on your shafts?  400 or 500?

[$bowhunter$]

my shaft i have now say 400 but ive been told im underspined. is that correct?

[Buckeye Trad Hunter]

You aren't underspined.  That's actually a bit stiff.  The gamegetter 400's are a 2117.  If you are truely pulling about 29 1/2 try a 150 gr. point and you'll be right on and shouldn't need to change anything and you won't need to add a weighted insert.

You may want to do the clothes pin thing or have someone mark your arrow in front of you shelf at full draw to make sure of your draw length.  I used to think that I had a 28" draw length till my wife marked my draw for me and I was actually at 25 1/2"

[$bowhunter$]

thanks for all your help.