Grizzly broad head meets a mule deer shoulder

[KyleAllen]

cottonwood, the scapula is tested because it is a common place of impact when shooting for a double lung.

As far as the flat part being thin without backbone, i reshape mine to better follow the angle of the ferrule. This detratcts from the beneficial length to width ratio but i feel it adds considerable strengtht to the heads.

[KyleAllen]

conner, thanks for sharing. Search "in case you dont believe ashby". I did almost the exact test about a week ago.

[Tajue17]

should of threw some different heads on for comparison,,,,, can anyone out there do something like this with a double bevel so we can see what happens?

[Terry Green]

FWIW.....  

Here's a pic of a Magnus I 4 blade that passed through the shoulder of a live moose.

 

[Terry Green]

Originally posted by KyleAllen:
cottonwood, the scapula is tested because it is a common place of impact when shooting for a double lung.

Please see shot placement pics stickied at the top of this forum.  Especially the animated one at the bottom of the whitetail pics.  Its also much more common to shoot too far back than too far forward.

[KyleAllen]

ok i see your point. However i've seen deer shot in the shoulder multiple times on tv. Whether that was in the scapula or not i do not know. The deer are not disected. Shoulder region, low penetration. People do at times take shots that are quartering towards them. From a tree stand the scapula obscures a large portion of the vitals....which is why this shot is not recommended. BUT people take this shot. A day may come when you will take this shot. Deny it and you will think of this when it happens. Oh and animals don't stay where they are supposed to for crap!!

[Terry Green]

Kyle, how many deer have you seen killed in real life with a bow and arrow?

[KyleAllen]

That would be a grand total of one. What's your point?

I do see that the scapula is very high and that the humerus is more of an obstacle...assuming a quartering too shot..that i am not practicing nor recommending. But i still fail to see why it would not be a beneficial test.

[Terry Green]

Kyle I saw you get mouthy on another thread with a few hunters with tons of experience.  Some have even killed 100 times more deer than you, and even made fun of them being 'set in their ways'......so, I now see you dont even have any ways to set in.  You even used a borrowed shoulder to do your test.  That is my point.

[KyleAllen]

I do not find myself saying that some are set in their ways as being mouthy. I am very well aware that some maybe even most have taken far more deer with a bow and arrow than i have.

As far as the other thread, I see it as a salesman coming to town selling the first automobile. Some would say well my horse has taken me thousands of miles, i don't care anything about an automobile. Would you not say that the automobile is superior? Do we all not drive them rather than horses?

Sure a double bevel head of almost any manufacture will kill a deer graveyard dead and do a dang good job of it. But what if one would cut a little deeper on less than perfect shots? If you never try the automobile you will never know if something could be better.

I apologize for being "mouthy" and certainly for any disrespect that may have been perceived. Disrespect was certainly not my intention. I see no positive outcome from any of my further involvement in this thread so i will withdraw from it. I did however find my picture that was deleted to be pertinent to my argument.

[Terry Green]

Many have already driven said automobile(that isn't
new) and found it inadequate for certain game.

[Conner Parry]

I did a similar test on a mature five year old mule deer buck. Once again the test was done because on deer because that's what was left over at the taxidermy shop. We don't have Zebra's here in Utah or I would shoot at one of those        I tested the same 627 grain arrow with a Magnus Buzzcut 125 grain head. Sorry I don't have the pictures to post but the penetration and damage to the scapula was similar. I did get one direct hit to the larger bone "Humorus"? and it bent the Magnus head similar to the Grizzly. I hope that this thread does not promote the idea of shooting for the shoulder blade or any idea similar to it. I understand that shots don't always go as planned and I take comfort knowing what should happen if my arrow meets an animals shoulder blade down the road. This test was done out of curiosity and cabin fever       I don't know if I can wait nine more months to hunt again....