Toelke Whip arrow selection

[voltradhunter]

Just received my first Toelke Whip and am working on arrow selection.  I thought there might be someone out there with similar specs that may want to weigh in with their experience. The bow (Whip, not classic whip) is 45@28 and I draw exactly 28. I am currently shooting Beman MFX 500's cut to 29" with a 100 grain brass insert and 125 grain tips, and 5" helical feathers. The Bemans shoot pretty well.

I am open to carbon, alum. or wood if you have similar specs and have found a recipe that works well for you.

Thanks, and by the way - the Whip is one awesome bow.

G

[Shawn Leonard]

I would think another 50 grains up front will have ya where ya really need to be on spine. Shawn

[Crash]

I agree with Shawn on this one, probably need another 50 or maybe even 75 grains on your point weight.

[drewsbow]

yep I like more point weight on that arrow , you will be suprised how much you can add and get great results. Drew

[voltradhunter]

Would a 2016 aluminum be a better choice?

[Montanawidower]

Aluminum has its place but most people prefer carbon.  I'm going to play devils advocate.  Your set up sounds spot on if not a little heavy up front.  I spent 30 minutes picking Dan's brain last week about arrows and setups.  He claims he tillers "fat" for smooth stroke and quiet shots.  IMPORTANT; He does not advocate high FOC as the above have suggested.  In fact I was having trouble getting good bareshaft groups against my fletched arrows.  I kept getting knock high, low bare shafts and detecting a slight barrel roll on my fletched regardless of how much I adjusted things. (I was shooting 275-300 total up front)  Dan said thats exactly what he expects.  He does not agree with extreme FOC.  He said his bows won't pick those big heads up on the forward stroke and the shaft will deflect nock high. (regardless of where you set the nock point!) He also said he thinks Bemans with glued in weight tubes and no more than 200 total upfront is what he likes to shoot. (I have a Lynx with 3 sets of different limbs and I have found his advice spot on). It also boils down to how insistent you are on perfect flight. If it hits where you look and your broadheads shoot like field points you're probably fine.   My two cents.

[TxAg]

Originally posted by Montanawidower:
Aluminum has its place but most people prefer carbon.  I'm going to play devils advocate.  You're set up sounds spot on if not a little heavy up front.  I spent 30 minutes picking Dan's brain last week about arrows and setups.  He claims he tillers "fat" for smooth stroke and quiet shots.  IMPORTANT; He does not advocate high FOC as the above have suggested.  In fact I was having trouble getting good bareshaft groups against my fletched arrows.  I kept getting knock high, low bare shafts and detecting a slight barrel roll on my fletched regardless of how much I adjusted things. (I was shooting 275-300 total up front)  Dan said thats exactly what he expects.  He does not agree with extreme FOC.  He said his bows won't pick those big heads up on the forward stroke and the shaft will deflect nock high. (regardless of where you set the nock point!) He also said he thinks Bemans with glued in weight tubes and no more than 200 total upfront is what he likes to shoot. (I have a Lynx with 3 sets of different limbs and I have found his advice spot on). It also boils down to how insistent you are on perfect flight. If it hits where you look and your broadheads shoot like field points you're probably fine.   My two cents.

Sounds spot on. I asked Dan's opinion on this very thing back in January. He suggested Beman 600s with 125 gr broadheads and 75 gr inserts. This was out of a 40# recurve. Arrows cut to 30"

[Lamey]

The Whip/Classic Whips ive had are among the most spine tolerant bows ive shot....  i need another Classic Whip!

[Izzy]

I shoot the same arra for my setups of 46#s to 50#s at 125 gns up to and even an extra 20 grains on the point and get excellent results..

[Jim Wright]

Congrats on your new Whip, I shoot a 62" Whip, 54.5 lb. at my 29" draw and MFX 500s 30 1/2" throat of nock to back of point with 100 grain brass inserts and 125 grain field points fly beautifully. I suspect you are spine stiff and you will need to add a good bit of point weight to your current set-up which should be around 525 grains total as it is now. Your other choice would be going to the MFX 600 which will mean 50 grains less than the MFX 500 at your shaft length and bareshafting will tell you where to end up with point weight.

[Trumpkin the Dwarf]

I shoot a Whip as well and I let Dan set my arrows up for me when I purchased the bow. Bemans are what Dan set me up with and they fly really well. Montanawidower, did Dan explain what causes the EFOC arrows to shoot poorly? I don't understand how a bow doesn't "pick up those big heads" I had every intention of developing a heavy arrow set up, but what you said makes me question myself.

Voltrad, your best bet might be to give Dan a call. He will probably suggest Bemans but you will learn a lot just from talking to him. Dan is a great guy.

[Montanawidower]

Trumpkin,

I'll paraphrase Dan best I can.  He said because your nock height is above 90 degrees the force of the string bends the arrow.  This flexes the middle of the shaft down and consequently lifts the arrow up slightly at the point end.  As the arrow recovers it clears the shelf.  He claims very heavy FOC prevents that first lifting action and thus the arrow drives into the shelf and deflects throwing it nock high. (just as an extremely low nock height will deflect an arrow making it appear as if its nock high).  Anyway it made sense when he explained it and it was exactly what I was seeing with my heavy FOC arrows.  No one's word is gospel.... but I figure he understands the geometry and tiller of his bows as well as anyone.  Hope that helps.

[wapiti]

Built more than a few arrows for Whips. In aluminum I would that length with 1916's and 125 grain heads. In a carbon use a 600 spine. OR cut the 500's longer and and weight with the 75 gr brass inserts and steel adapters. If you need a speed use the 600 or the 500 if arrow speed is of no concern.

[voltradhunter]

Thanks guys. Think I'll give the 600s a shot and see how that works out.

[Don Baker]

I'll put in my 2 cents worth.

I am shooting a 62" Whip 46# @ 28" and I'm using 55#-58# cedars with 125 gn. points.

Flight is excellent.

Don