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Author Topic: Figuring correct spine with wood arrows  (Read 267 times)

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Figuring correct spine with wood arrows
« on: June 09, 2011, 11:32:00 AM »
I am contemplating building a set of Surewood Douglas Fir arrows for my '65 Kodiak.  I shoot 42# at 26.5" draw according to my scale.  Which spine would be best??

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Re: Figuring correct spine with wood arrows
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2011, 11:50:00 AM »
I'm no expert but I believe they say spine them for your weight if shooting a center cut recurve.  I believe a longbow is supposed to be spined a little less to allow fpr the recovery after the shot.  Any one else?

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Re: Figuring correct spine with wood arrows
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2011, 11:56:00 AM »
I'm very new, but I do have a knack for setting my friends up with accurate cedar arrows, I would suggest a 35-40# arrow. They are rated at 28", and since your draw is 1 1/2" less, the spine will be stiffer then what it's rated, so the 35# arrow at your draw should be in the zone of 40# at your length.

Shoot it without fletching at around 15 yards and check the windage, goes to far left=too stiff, too far right=too weak.
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Re: Figuring correct spine with wood arrows
« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2011, 11:59:00 AM »
Oops, actually the finished length of the arrow should be around 27 1/2" to 28" so the 40-45# may shoot perfect.
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Re: Figuring correct spine with wood arrows
« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2011, 12:05:00 PM »
Adam, sent you a pm.....Scott
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Re: Figuring correct spine with wood arrows
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2011, 12:07:00 PM »
The general rule is subtract 5# for each inch below 28" with a standard 125 gr. point. It also calls for adding 5# for each inch above 28"; arrow length is measured from the bottom of the nock to the back of the head. Add 5# for fast flight or comparable strings. Add 5# for each 25 grains in added point weight above 125 grain. This means if you use a 150 gr. point, the spine should be increased by 5#.  

Because you are shooting 42#, start with 40-45 lb spine, when you subtract or add.  You may find that 45-50 also works as a base, for your recurve. Add or subtract from where ever you start.

If you cut them to 27.5" round that to 28". If you cut them to 26.5 round up to 27" before you add or subtract for string differences, or point weight.

If you draw 26.5", but cut your broaheads to 27.5, (round to 28"), and 26.5 (round to 27") for field points, you might find there is a difference, go with the stiffer shaft and if you need too, you can add a heavier point. It is harder to go lighter in point weight, because most broadheads are 125 gr. or more.

Keep in mind, that you can use a slightly higher spine than the recommended if the bow is center-shot. Your bow is close at 1/8" past center, so the arrow will need to flex as you release. The arrow pushes against the bow, bending inward, then outward as it passes the bow. This is the paradox.  

The reason Traditional longbows shoot a lower spine is because they are not cut as close to center as most newer recurves.

Three Rivers has a spine chart for wood, aluminum and graphite shafts on their website.

If you are not sure, you might consider getting a test kit, with a dozen shafts covering a range of spine.  If you go with the 4 shafts in each group, you will have 3 different spine ranges. Cut the shafts to the maximum length, with two fletched and two not for testing. You can use different wood as long as the weight is close. POC is lighter than fir and may shoot differently for you. Good luck
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Re: Figuring correct spine with wood arrows
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2011, 01:25:00 PM »
Thanks for all the info!

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Re: Figuring correct spine with wood arrows
« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2011, 02:20:00 PM »
Carpmaster,

If you download Stu Millers Dynamic Spine calculator and fill in all the boxes correctly, you will end up prety close.Be sure to fill in the correct center cut option and strikeplate thickness, this is the most critical factor.
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Re: Figuring correct spine with wood arrows
« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2011, 02:51:00 PM »
I had never played with the calculator for wood but it looks like I can figure it out...

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Re: Figuring correct spine with wood arrows
« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2011, 03:15:00 PM »
I do it all the time, for different bows and archers and it works just fine. I am not saying Stu is perfect, but it gives you a great starting point. If you have any questions, shoot!   :archer2:  Here is an example:


   
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Re: Figuring correct spine with wood arrows
« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2011, 03:45:00 PM »
What do you put in the AMO Static spine for woodies?
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Re: Figuring correct spine with wood arrows
« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2011, 04:03:00 PM »
I put in the spine value as it is. When it is 52 lbs, I put in 52 lbs.
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Re: Figuring correct spine with wood arrows
« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2011, 05:35:00 PM »
Point weight? What weight tips are you wanting to shoot. The calculator is only as good as the info. it has....? The Dutchman got you started. But I doubt you'll be shooting only 100gr tips.
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Re: Figuring correct spine with wood arrows
« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2011, 09:54:00 PM »
Oops, actually the finished length of the arrow should be around 27 1/2" to 28" so the 40-45# may shoot perfect.
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Re: Figuring correct spine with wood arrows
« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2011, 09:56:00 PM »
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Originally posted by snag:
Point weight? What weight tips are you wanting to shoot. The calculator is only as good as the info. it has....? The Dutchman got you started. But I doubt you'll be shooting only 100gr tips.
I will shoot 125 min for points...I see what he did in his example, I think I can be dangerous now.

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Re: Figuring correct spine with wood arrows
« Reply #15 on: June 10, 2011, 12:04:00 AM »
Anybody can be dangerous, just stop thinking.  :knothead:    :help:
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Re: Figuring correct spine with wood arrows
« Reply #16 on: June 10, 2011, 02:53:00 AM »
In this example I made a set-up for 3D arrows. In The Netherlands, the distances for tournaments become bigger and bigger. 50 yards isn't something special anymore.
For this you need a L-FOC (low-foc, I made this one up myself) 8 to 9 % is my starting point for such an arrow. The lower the FOC,the flatter the trajectory. And that is what we need for 3D shooting,
When hunting, you would prefer a higher FOC.
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Re: Figuring correct spine with wood arrows
« Reply #17 on: June 10, 2011, 08:30:00 AM »
forget the charts and calculators - order out a surewood spine test kit and know for sure.  that kit will come in mighty handy for future bows, too.
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Re: Figuring correct spine with wood arrows
« Reply #18 on: June 10, 2011, 04:10:00 PM »
Each to his own. But Stu's calculator is a great tool if used properly. It can be helpful as a starting point...it is free too!
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