thanx for the quick response guys, can always count on the tradders for help. you know, an arrow is an arrow, but these farbonglass babies have a special meaning. on a recent trip back to the home state of iowa, my uncle had these arrows, a homemade hickory longbow and a ben pearson 48# hunter, still hanging in the floor joices of the basement. after serious haggling and the promise that i kill a deer with these items, they were bought for $25.00, then he took my wife and i out to lunch. he drove a hard bargain eh? must have known something was up, he died three months later. i aim to uphold my end of the deal. thanx for keeping the promise alive