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Author Topic: Instinct like behaviour  (Read 206 times)

Offline Roaring Reds

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Instinct like behaviour
« on: August 19, 2011, 05:12:00 AM »
I was at a job i was working on today when i happened to walk by the woodshed when i noticed a hatchet sticking out of the stump. I couldn't help myself from picking it up, swinging it and chopping the stump it was on. Now i started shooting trad 15 years ago and never shot a compound with the exception as once, only to find out it just didn't feel right. Now when i shot a trad bow it just made me feel like the experience i had with the hatchet. Now this got me thinking of inherited instinct like behaviour. Could it be that we inherit behaviour such as this from say our ancestors. My bloodline consists of German,English, and a small trace of mongolian, Which i can thank Genghis Khans army for when they attacked the southern regions of Germany. I know of numerous instances that i have done things and gotten myself out of peculiar situations that i couldn't have done other wise without the instinct to do so. I just thought that this was an interesting thought and thought i might share my theories with you guys and see if any other member here may feel the same as I. I have a feeling there are many others out there.   :archer2:

Offline piggy

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Re: Instinct like behaviour
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2011, 05:21:00 AM »
I do think there is something in what you are saying, no other member of my family hunts I an the only one and have always done so. So what made me decide to become a hunter I did think it was a love of the bush / woods. After the passing of my father I found some old photo's of my grandfather and his family with game they had taken and found out they had come from country and were woodsmen.

Now knowing this it explains to me why I love the Bush and hunting, guess it's in my blood

My grandfather passed while I was quite young

Offline S. Brant Osborn

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Re: Instinct like behaviour
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2011, 08:18:00 AM »
It's there, only society has been trying to "breed out" the warriors and rough hewn men and women of the past in favor of more sedintary lifestyle. But it shows back up in certain individuals.  Watch a child at play in the yard. They will crouch and stalk not even knowing what they are doing or why.

I've always been a little different. Parents and grandparents said I was born generations too late.  But it's good to know I won't starve if I don't fill a tag this year!
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Offline KodiakMag

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Re: Instinct like behaviour
« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2011, 08:22:00 AM »
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Originally posted by S. Brant Osborn:
It's there, only society has been trying to "breed out" the warriors and rough hewn men and women of the past in favor of more sedintary lifestyle. But it shows back up in certain individuals.  Watch a child at play in the yard. They will crouch and stalk not even knowing what they are doing or why.

I've always been a little different. Parents and grandparents said I was born generations too late.  But it's good to know I won't starve if I don't fill a tag this year!
Exactly what I was thinking. Woodsmanship is a lost art and in most cases laughed at these days. But, like you my freezer hasn't been empty going on before I was born because my dad always had it full. But, latley it's been my responsibility.  :)  

But to the OP there are some things I just "do" without even thinking about it and people around me are shocked that I figured it out or got it to work. I think us trad hunters have a common sense level above most not to be rude but truthfully what I believe. That helps us in the woods and in life. Good observation and post.
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Offline Bowwild

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Re: Instinct like behaviour
« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2011, 08:25:00 AM »
Some of my non-hunting family and acquaintances don't understand the "smell" of fall that is so strong and exciting to me.

Offline KodiakMag

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Re: Instinct like behaviour
« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2011, 08:30:00 AM »
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Some of my non-hunting family and acquaintances don't understand the "smell" of fall that is so strong and exciting to me.
OOOOHHH YEAH!!! Just stepped out of the office to walk down to the shop and I got that smell and saw a flock of turkey's off in one of our fields. It is getting close.
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Offline reddogge

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Re: Instinct like behaviour
« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2011, 11:05:00 AM »
I don't think there is anything to it. No one in my family tree on both sides was a hunter or outdoorsman but I was. I was at an early age too, shooting BB guns, reading Outdoor Life and Field and Stream, Howard Hill. I was also a scout which fit nicely into the outdoor lifestyle.
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Offline Stickbow

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Re: Instinct like behaviour
« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2011, 11:48:00 AM »
Instict or not I wish Roaring Reds would walk by my woodshed    :D

Offline hardwaymike

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Re: Instinct like behaviour
« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2011, 12:06:00 PM »
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Instict or not I wish Roaring Reds would walk by my woodshed     :D  
:biglaugh:    :biglaugh:  
Mine too,lol!
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Offline Jake Diebolt

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Re: Instinct like behaviour
« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2011, 12:21:00 PM »
The relationship between genetics and behaviour is poorly understood, mostly because genes code for proteins, and proteins do the work (to put it simply).

Without a doubt some people seem to be born with natural aptitudes and attitudes, and some are not. For example: my brother and I are fraternal twins. He loves city life, I love the outdoors. Same parents, same raising, same diet, same schools...what's the difference? We were different from day one. My dad and his brothers have all hunted at one time, but now only 3 out of 5 do it on a regular basis. My uncle, one of the most enthustiastic and skilled hunters I know, has a son who's mostly interested in computers. Go figure.

As far as skills being passed down from ancient ancestors, I don't think that specific skills get passed down...but certain aptitudes (hand-eye coordination) and attitudes (curiousity, liking hands-on stuff) probably do.

And let's face it: Regardless of your ancestry, at some point in the past one of your ancestors relied on bows, arrows, atl-atls and snares to get by...so we've all got it in our blood, one way or another.

Offline Rob W.

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Re: Instinct like behaviour
« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2011, 12:36:00 PM »
Most of my bloodline is from English descent. That never interested me until I got a little older and started shooting trad. Now I always wonder how many along that line knew the feeling of having a bow in hand. Every time I think about instict and connections to the past my first thought is "The Provider" by Jack Paluh. Great painting!
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Re: Instinct like behaviour
« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2011, 01:35:00 PM »
Bows and arrows have been with us for at least 100,000 years.  I'm sure they were our primary means of obtaining meat for most of that time, as we have been domesticating animals for only about 5,000 - 10,000 years.  Bows and arrows were invented independently by most cultures in the world, and of course were adopted by other cultures that came in contact with the cultures that invented them.  The only major culture that hasn't had a tradition of using the bow and arrow are the Australian Bushmen.

So you would think that during the long period of time we have been using the bow, we might have evolved in a direction of being more proficient with the bow.  In other words, if you could take a child from a period of time before the bow existed, and a child from modern times, would the modern child have a genetic advantage in learning to shoot the bow?  I'm sure in some sense he would: if a person were proficient with the bow, he would be considered more desirable as a mate, and therefore his children might also be more proficient with the bow, through a process of natural selection.  Over time, a whole population might move in the direction of being more proficient with the bow, similar to cross-breeding hunting dogs for the most desirable traits.

But this is really a chicken and the egg question, I think.  Did we select the bow or did the bow select us?  Because it was independently invented in so many different cultures, it makes me wonder.  What I mean by my question, which sounds somewhat ridiculous the way I stated it, is similar to the question of how we human beings ended up looking the way we do and surviving the way we survive.

Of course there is the religious answer, that God made us this way, and then there is the scientific answer, that we evolved to be the way we are because that way worked, and other evolutionary paths didn't, and so they died out.  And while there will never be agreement between the two camps as to how it all started, both camps would agree that we have a critical mandate to be resourceful, whether from God or as an instinct to survive.  There is no doubt in my mind that the single most resourceful thing that human beings accomplished was the use of the bow and arrow, even moreso than the use of fire or the invention of the wheel.

So going back to my question, as to whether we selected the bow or the bow selected us, let's use the example of air.  We didn't select air; air was there and unless we could survive by breathing air, we wouldn't last long on this earth.  So in a sense, air selected those animals who could survive by breathing it, and that is true whether it was planned that way by God or happened that way by evolution.  In my way of thinking, the bow and arrow are so important to the history of man, I don't think man could have survived without them other than some small groups of primitive people here and there.  So in that sense, the bow and arrow, throughout most of man's history has been closer to a necessity like air than a convenience like the wheel.
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