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Author Topic: Losing points in my target  (Read 208 times)

Offline Don Armstrong

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Losing points in my target
« on: September 01, 2011, 05:37:00 PM »
I have a rubber mat target. I have points come off my woodies ever now and then. I sometimes shoot them a few hundred times and then, when pulling arrow, the point stays in the mat. I have been using hot melt. Is there a better way. I don't want to use epoxy due to changing heads. I do use Acetone to clean the insides of the points. The points are the size of the arrows also ie: 11/32" points on 11/32" arrows. I also shoot some Goldtip 3555 with 100 grain inserts, glued in with the same hot melt. Never had a problem. Thanks, Don

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Re: Losing points in my target
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2011, 05:51:00 PM »
Most epoxys will release with a little heat.  Also with hot melt, do you heat the glue while its on the wood shaft and then heat the point once it's on the shaft?

Offline Grey Taylor

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Re: Losing points in my target
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2011, 06:11:00 PM »
I'll second what Gordon says: epoxy will release with heat.
For some reason there is a pervasive thought that epoxied tips will be on the arrow until the world ends.
I've been using epoxy on many hundreds of arrows and hardly ever hear of tips coming off. But I can still change them easily when needed.

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Re: Losing points in my target
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2011, 06:19:00 PM »
I had that problem when I used regular hot melt. I started using the Ferr-L-Tite adhesive and haven't had a problem.

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Re: Losing points in my target
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2011, 07:20:00 PM »
i have found in 3d targets(dont know about your mat) but if you will twist before you pull and break the hold it does away with that problem for me. I use goat tuff for everything and it will release with heat as well.
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Re: Losing points in my target
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2011, 07:31:00 PM »
My buddy who has been doing this for 45+ years claims you need to heat the points with a torch to cherry red to eliminate the oil residue left from the machining process. Then they will stick.

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Re: Losing points in my target
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2011, 08:18:00 PM »
I soak mine in denatured alcohol, clear with Qtip  and heat it hot .  Score the shaft and glue away
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Offline Shakes.602

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Re: Losing points in my target
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2011, 08:29:00 PM »
J-B WELD  on the Glue Ons for your Woodies.  :thumbsup:
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Offline Don Armstrong

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Re: Losing points in my target
« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2011, 08:34:00 PM »
Should have added. I heat the point fairly hot. Dig the point into glue to get a chunk, more heat till it is liquid. I insert shaft, spin to coat, push in tight and then in to the water. I have had the same issue with ferr-l-tite. I never considered epoxy as a "till the world ends" issue. I just didn't think it would be nessary and a little harder to remove field points using it. I may end up using epoxy to save on points as they don't come out of the mats.

smokin feathers, you might be on to something. My mats are kind of like a 3 D target. Thanks for all the help, everyone. Don

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Re: Losing points in my target
« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2011, 08:36:00 PM »
Shakes.602, I think I'll procure some J-B weld and give it a shot. Don

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Re: Losing points in my target
« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2011, 08:46:00 PM »
Don, try heating the ferrltite and wiping a little on the shaft taper.  Take the torch or candle etc. and heat the ferrltite on the shaft even to the point of catching it on fire.  Quickly put the point on firmly and then heat the point a little and push it on firmly again.
I don't think you will have any more problems.

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Re: Losing points in my target
« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2011, 08:59:00 PM »
A Little Dab Whiped All the Way Around the Arrow Point, will do Ya!! I got sick of Losing All my Glue-Ons at 3D Shoots! Not much good to to make up 2 Dozen arrows, then lose  ALL  the Points, ya know?   :rolleyes:  
  When I want to take them off, I Light a Little Tea Candle (the ones in the Metal Cups) and set it in an Ashtray, then get some Pliers and turn the Point in the Flame for just a Little Bit, Try to Twist with the Pliers and if they dont Twist off, heat them just a Little Bit More!!
   Afterwards, I put some Acetone in a Baby Food Jar, tight Lid, and put the Cool Points in it and let 'em soak Overnight! By Morning, the Soot from the Candle is Gone off the Outside, and a Q-Tip will Clean out the Innards!!
    Good Luck to You!! It Sure Works for  ME !! Oh yeah, the 2 Little Tubes of J-B will last a  LONG  Time!!  :thumbsup:
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Re: Losing points in my target
« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2011, 10:42:00 PM »
took 20 qwicks off their adapters (glued with 5 min epoxy)the other night . little heat does the trick. epoxy holds goooood, but definitely not inseparable.

Offline Grey Taylor

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Re: Losing points in my target
« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2011, 12:21:00 AM »
Shakes, it would be more fun if you put nice hot points in the acetone   :scared:  


Disclaimer: don't do it, really bad idea unless your fire insurance is payed up.

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Re: Losing points in my target
« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2011, 12:47:00 AM »
I use a torch to heat the ferr-l-tite, then dab a little blob on the end of the shaft. I then heat the head for a few seconds (not red hot) and then put it on. I twist it to make sure there is good glue coverage, then I press the tip pretty hard into a wood block for a few seconds.  I then set it aside to cool. I think you might be cooling the glue too quick with the water. Try just letting them cool naturally.

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Re: Losing points in my target
« Reply #15 on: September 02, 2011, 09:26:00 AM »
I do it like looper, but I do use the cold water cooling- it's important! The cold water sets the glue, and contracts the pocket of air left in the point which helps keep it on. Ferr-L-Tite is better than other hot melts in my experience.

When heating the head, just heat it until it smokes a bit. I use a propane torch set on low flame, just for a few seconds. That will remove any oil residue without having to use something dangerous like acetone. The point should be hot enough to liquify the glue, but not boil it out of the head when you push it on and rotate it. The glue will turn black if it gets too hot, but will still work if you don't overdo it. I blow on the point while pressing it into a dense wood block so it doesn't slip while transferring to a big cup of cold water.

I never lose a point on fresh arrows. I occasionally lose one after several years of aging. When I put broadheads on, I do it the same way except for  pressing it into the wood block. Instead I hold the hot broadhead firmly with pliers and rotate the shaft until I find the point where it spins perfectly, then quench it in the cold water.

I was taught this technique by Stinson Hill, Howard's uncle, at the first HH World Championship in Wilsonville, AL that I attended, a couple of decades ago. He noticed that I was losing points and took mercy on me. We heated my points on the charcoal grill where he was grilling burgers for the crowd! He said he learned how to do it from Howard.

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Offline Jim Dahlberg

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Re: Losing points in my target
« Reply #16 on: September 02, 2011, 09:37:00 AM »
Agree with all of the above having used almost all methods.  For the past couple of years I have been scoring the inside of all my glue on points with a 5/16" X 18 long tap.  The tap goes down in the point more than half way and produces fresh metal and ridges to bond to the shaft.  Haven't lost a point since.

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