Ever denied permission to retrieve an animal?

[toddster]

yep, had a deer shot from public to private, asked permission and property owner said nope.  I then asked why they are willing to let a downed deer rote?  He said it wouldn't they would get it and am tired of people tromping across there property.  I told him thank you and can understand where he is coming from, would get real old.  So later that month, I shot another doe and took few pounds of meat back to the house where they wouldn't let me get the deer, after I gave the guy the meat he about cried and said I could track or get a deer off there place from then on, the next week gave them a whole doe (he lost his job and they had 3 kids and times was getting tight).  One other time that really stands out, is I shot a nice buck (not the biggest), it went on private property of a couple who are well known for saying know.  I asked and the guy and son asked if a doe or buck I said buck and they said nope and closed the door.  I started to turn then it hit me, they wanted the rack (there was a real nice booner around there).  I knocked on door and asked if I took the meat they could have the rack.  They agreed, which I have to admit kinda turned my tummy, that they just wanted the rack, so in honor of the animal I took the meat to fullfill my obligation.  I understand how property owners and get all kinds of people who spoil it for us, it is there property, the laws in illinois changed to protect there property.  One thing I started to do which seems to work, is as I drive around in the summer, I stop and talk with the people, then they see me as a person instead of a one time camo user.

[stevewills]

ill let anyone get there deer if they call but,the cops and co has been out here enough that if someone is tresspassing they dont get cited they go to jail.we had a neighbor teenager cut some vines off our property then told his dad,dad loaded him up brought him to the house and ask what we should do with him...i said nothing,he was pretty embarressed,that was good enough...but my approach on tresspassers is working,and i told all my neighbors,you can get your deer,call first ill meat up with you and help you get the deer.....

[Rick Perry]

there is no doubt that we have all seen pics in the deer magazines and books of big bucks that were retrieved from posted property illegally .

 The bigger the antlers the more likely the hero hunter is to "justify" breaking the law by trespassing . Putting a stand on a property line when you know you can not legally cross the fence if the wounded animal decides to run that direction is unethical IMHO.

 Its a real shame to lose an animal . But in todays bowhunting world property lines must be respected . 30 years ago in Illinois you never heard of this problem . the lust for trophy bucks ,leasing , and dreams of "trophy management" have led us to this.


 

[LeeBishop]

Originally posted by grriflesemail:
You can not trespass on unposted land in Arkansas. The book reads that you have to have verbal permission for unposted land and written permission for posted land. You have to know the rules.

Chris

You have to get permission to "hunt" property.
Here is what the trespassing statute says.

"(a) (1) A person shall not enter without written permission of the owner or lessee upon another person's land located outside the boundary of any city or town if that land is either:

(A) Lawfully posted;

(B) Crop land; or

(C) Enclosed with a fence sufficient under 2-39-101 et seq.

(2) The posting of land is not a requirement under this section."

If there is a defined fence then it's sufficient that it's "posted."  However, if you're in some of the public forests in Arkansas then you will know that there still may be old fences in the woods from old farms that were later bought by the state or feds to add to the forest.

On our property we went around the perimeter and painted the treeline in purple paint to "post" the land.

[jonsimoneau]

It has not happend to me but it almost did.  It was back in college, and I shot a very big doe.  The doe ran into an open field and died right there.  The lady who owned the property was known for not liking people hunting on the property next to her...even though it was public land.  I went and asked her if I could get the deer and she promptly said no, and began to shut the door on me.  I told her that it was laying in plain site in her field.  She told me to go ahead and get it, only because it was in plain sight, but never to bother her with this sort of thing again.
     I have to admit, that after that incident, the thought crossed my mind, that if I shot another one, and it ran into her property, I was just going to go get it anyway without asking her.  I know this is not right, but I would be lying if I said it did not cross my mind.  Luckily for me, I have never again been in this situation.

[jhg]

I think Jon makes a good point. I think we all have had moments of doubt about the right thing to do in our lives. But just think how our actions as individuals affect the perception of our sport and hunting and hunters in general. Going around and sneaking onto another's property when you know access has been denied is not exactly how honest folks operate.

 As I mentioned earlier, as a landowner nothing turns you off more to allowing access than knowing someone is going to go onto your property anyway. We had this happen to us. And it only mattered to them what we thought or did one month out of the year. All the rest of the time we might as well have been invisable.
I am impressed with those that put their own feelings regarding recovery aside and made the noble gesture. They were/are great ambassadors for our sport. I for one take a lot of inspiration from them in my own struggles to do what is "right".


Joshua

[Plumber]

some of the places I bow hunt are so deep an far away from everything I would not even know who to call no disrespect to anyone but if I am in the middle of nowhere an the only thing keeping me from  getting my deer is a notresspassing sign I will take my chances.I think shooting a deer an leaveing it lay is 10 times worse then tresspassing.some of the other places I hunt there would be access to people who I could ask premission an I would do so.other times I may hunt at a friends place an I would do what ever he would be o.k with I would not want to cause any problems for him.for me it just all depends on the situation

[xtrema312]

Plumber

You can go get maps and photo's at the county and/or township in your hunting areas.  You can get the names and addresses of the owners.  Now you can even get that info on the net in most places.  Then contact them ahead of the hunt or when you need to access for getting an animal. The first thing I do when hunting a new area is hunting research and that is more than the lay of the land.

[xtrema312]

Originally posted by Jmatt1957:
Sorry guys I answer to a higher authority. If I have a wounded or dead animal it is my duty/obligation to retrieve that animal,reguardles of the human laws. That being said I am also prepaired to pay any fine or penalty that may occurer.

what higher authority are you talking about, and where do I read up on that?  

[adeeden]

You will be suprised how many places you have permission on to track/retrieve disapear when a big buck is involved.

In my case I had always been allowed to track retrieve there until a big one piled up there.

I was on property owned by my inlaws it's basicaly an island of woods surounded by agriculture fields. in fact the neighbors land where I was denied access to retrieve had a total of 2 trees on it. The rest was fields and a fencerow that was well maintained (tree/brush) free. Of course he was hunting right on the property line! I still can't believe that buck ran out in that picked field though as he was about 75 yards into the woods when shot.

It sucked but there's absolutely nothing I could do about it.

[Lowrider]

On my land in Arkansas it does not matter. Has a fence, purple paint markings and they still come on it. If not the neighbors it is those comming down the river in a boat. I put up a big box stand beside the fence line back when I hunted with a gun and had the neighbor come in the week deer season opened and put one right up beside mine on his side. Opening morning we sat in our respective stands and talked back and forth. I might add he has 500 acres of pasture with cows on it and my land next to his is 500 acres of woods. He was definitely planning on hunting off of me. After a couple of hours I got down, went back to the house, got the Dozier, came back and cut a right of way 100 yards over on my property about 50ft wide 200yds. long and moved my stand over there. Imagine his surprise when I killed a 7 point out of it that afternoon. To this date his stand is in the same place and so is mine. He did go in and fence off about 2 acres on his to keep the cows out and planted a food plot. Crazy deer go over there and he shoots a few every year. I don't gun hunt anymore and my younger brother goes to that stand every year and has to deal with him. All that being said he does come onto my property. The only evidence we have is part of his britches as he jumped the fence one day when my brother slipped up on him.

[LeeBishop]

Originally posted by Lowrider:
On my land in Arkansas...had the neighbor come in... All that being said he does come onto my property. The only evidence we have is part of his britches as he jumped the fence one day when my brother slipped up on him.

I'd set up a trail camera and get photos of him doing it then. The man has 500 acres. He's bound to have plenty of places to hunt. We only have a little over half of that and I have put up seven stands.

[riverrat 2]

I have not had that problem yet fortunatly...
HOWEVER,if I do...I WON'T ASK. try not to hold
it against me fellow TradGangers,but depending on the time,which way it went,etc. I will sneak in then or crack o' dawn the next day. Covert military style. If I get caught,I will deal with
that situation at that time. I am a landowner. I would give permission. But what I don't know don't hurt me. There could be someone on our land
right now. But NO WAY would I put my deer in jeopardy because someone says no. I'd take my
chances fellas'

[Lowrider]

Lee he does have 500 acres but it is all pasture. The only place he has a stand on the whole place is the two or so acres he fenced off and planted a food plot next to my woods. He does have my permission to come and get a deer if it is shot and comes over there. I feel I am being mighty genereous and he and his children/grandchildren are taking advantage. I although am like most here. I am not going to be so dogmatic as to allow a deer to lay there and spoil. Not only that but we have 160 acres up the road from that property that we flood to duck hunt. I turned the pump on Aug. 15th to flood it and am still pumping water. Go to all of this trouble and expense to find shells in my blinds where it was hunted when I wasn't there. Living In Lousiana and the property being 70 miles away it is hard to be there when they are. The Game Warden has a key to both places and it is my hope they will cross paths one day.

[LeeBishop]

Originally posted by Lowrider:
Lee he does have 500 acres but it is all pasture. The only place he has a stand on the whole place is the two or so acres he fenced off and planted a food plot next to my woods. He does have my permission to come and get a deer if it is shot and comes over there. I feel I am being mighty genereous and he and his children/grandchildren are taking advantage. I although am like most here. I am not going to be so dogmatic as to allow a deer to lay there and spoil. Not only that but we have 160 acres up the road from that property that we flood to duck hunt. I turned the pump on Aug. 15th to flood it and am still pumping water. Go to all of this trouble and expense to find shells in my blinds where it was hunted when I wasn't there. Living In Lousiana and the property being 70 miles away it is hard to be there when they are. The Game Warden has a key to both places and it is my hope they will cross paths one day.

Well Sir, I will probably be moving back down to the Delta soon while I work on this Ben Pearson documentary film.

I would be more than happy to check in every once in a while and make sure things look OK