German Kinetics- Who's using them???

[david janssen]

Just wondering if anyone is using them, and could you give some details on them? Flight,sharpness,etc.. ThankYou.

[KSdan]

Someone gave me a set of three as a gift- they seem to be the most precision made boradhead I have ever seen- sharpness out of the box is amazingly scarey-  Not proven in the field yet.  Actually kind of hate to shoot the gorgeous things.  I will be interested to watch this thread.

[Pete W]

Excelent heads . I did reviews on them a while back in my trad review pages at  www.peteward.com.  There are a few sponsors that have them in stock. Herb Haines, and Git-r-done both have them.
 www.herbsarchery.com
 http://git-r-donearchery.com/

[Mike Orton]

Murphy always accompanies me on my hunts...thus I miss too often to use German Kinetics heads....yikes  

[Two Arrows]

Not for me. A three or four blade head does more damage and leaves a better bloodtrail for the game I'm after. Plus, I have an issue with the cost of this two blade.

[Bowchef]

I traded for three last year.  Shot one into a 157# whitetail at 17 yards from a 41# longbow.  Six inches into the dirt on the other side and a pile-up at 25 yards.  I cleaned up the head and put it back into my quiver.  Right now I would challenge anyone to pick the one that has been used.  It literally doesn't have a mark on it.

They are terribly expensive but, worth it, I think.

[Two Arrows]

I should probably clarify that I have no desire to use any two blade head, no matter who the maker is, and that's just my opinion. I wasn't trying to downgrade German Kinetics in any way.

[Taran of Caer Dallben]

Two or three blade certainly is a matter of preference...

I know two people who went bowhunting in Africa and used the kinetics two-blade. They swear by these broadheads, esp. how sharp they are and that they stay sharp, they say it is very important because a lot of the big antelopes etc. have very tough, thick skin. Penetration seems to be much more of a problem than with northern deer etc. One Austrian I know, an acconplished longbowman, even shoots only compounds when he's in Africa, for that reason, and he uses the German Kinetics. But then he also goes for buffalo and the like...

So it seems they are "overkill" if you hunt deer, for example. But I think they are beautiful, too, and eminently collectable.

I'm afraid I can't offer more than this "second-hand" evidence, but my "sources" are very reliable and experienced.

[BTH]

I use them. As far as durability goes they are darn near bombproof. I missed a javelina in Arizona last year and the silver flame tipped arrow skittered across the rocks. I just had to touch up the nicks a bit and it was good as new. Arrow flight is great. I see no difference between my field tips and the broadheads.
Fortunately for me cost is not an issue at this point in my life, something for which I am truly grateful and thankful for, so I don't have an issue with forking out the dollars for this broadhead as in my opinion it is one of the best out there. According to Dr. Ashby it is the best broadhead in it's class.
And sharpness...All I can say is use a broadhead wrench to put them on, don't use your finger as a draw check, and watch your thumb when you pull these from your broadhead target. I have no problem shooting these repeatedly into a broadhead target and they stay as sharp as they were when I got them. I've been working on some Grizzly 160's to get them sharp enough to hunt and I just can't get them done right; These Silver Flames don't need that kind of work. So for a two blade, rated best in class by Ashby, durable, sharp, well made, accurate, flies like my field tips, broadhead these are an excellant choice. If you don't mind the cost and can afford $20+ dollars a head. I'm taking them to Africa with me in August and my wife will be shooting them out of her mechanical contraption as well.
I know I'm going on a bit here...but if you do manage to damage a blade enough that it won't work anymore you can can get a replacement blade kit. Also they come in five different sizes from 100 grain to 210 grain. You can get a test kit of 125, 150, and 180 grain heads. I'm shooting the 210's on a Beman MFX classic with 100 grain brass insert and 3 grain per inch weight tube. With my arrow length at about 27 3/4 I have a 700 grain arrow.

[Steertalker]

They are without exception the sharpest edged instrument I have ever put my hands on.  Test shot one.....perfect.  And BTW.....the one I test shot had been used as a practice BH and shot into targets and dirt more than a few times.  With all that it was still sharper than anything I have ever handled....just clean the dirt off...ready to hunt.

I've got my order in...they're worth the money.

[herb haines]

Friends i was the first dealer in North America to have German -Kinetics Silver Flame and when i fist got them i would keep a pack of 180gr by the computer to fondle ( guess that is the best explanation ) they are just scarrey to look at .
i have to wear long sleeved shirts as no hair left on my arms .very very sharp .very very expensive but saying that you need to look at the quality that yu are buying .these heads weigh with in 1 gr what it says not like a lot of broad heads that will very by 20 grin the same package .
one of my customers was going back to Africa for the 3rd time and his first for Cape Buff and wanted the best heads available so he got 13 x3 packs to test with all the other heads he was testing
he sent me the spread sheet he was using to keep track of the heads and i was amazed at the number that had crap written after ,and notes like weight was off ,fell apart ,weren't sharp ect . he used Silver Flames and the PH's in Africa asked him to leave his 180 gr behind .
one of my customers who i consider a friend ( even if we haven't met personally bout a 3 pack of 125 gr before his trip to Africa , shot a Zebra stallion and the blade lodged in the opposite shoulder bone , the trackers cut it out and returned it to him . he stropped it on a piece of leather and it still cut the hair of his arm and back it went in his quiver for another day .
i have seen them go through pigs , and one customer shot 4 out of his 9 deer last year with same blade .
so far in all of the sales i have i replaced  i furrel it hit a rock when it blew through the guys back stop

i am waiting on my first shipment as we speak since Marcus had 5000 new blades made .it left Germany almost 3 weeks ago and i have back orders to fill  as soon as it arrives and second order was shipped last week  also prices have increased .

i bhave a new glue on ferrel adaptor for  woodies i am testing from Germany and will now be able to shoot My Silver Flames from my wooden arrows so 700 gr shaft and maybe 210 gr head can we say makin meat LOL ---- herb--- if you have any questions email or call

[Dsturgisjr]

One of my hunting buddies on a recent water buff hunt bought some of these heads from Herb. He killed two dandy bulls with them and was very satisfied with their results.

[herb haines]

Denny , i was going to ask how he made out , when i saw your post  . he got 2 !!! good for him .-- herb

[Roadkill]

I bought one from Herb-a knife quality broadhead.  Missed a turkey and dinged it up-it came right back with a little file work.  Maybe this year it will squewer mr buck.  togh as they get and precison beyond compare, also expensive to lose!  Don't think you could destroy one, but I could lose one easily.

[Skipmaster1]

They are by far the sharpest heads out there. They are artwork. sure they are expensive but they are a like a good knife, you will have them for life if you don't lose them. A friend shot his into a 3D deer 75times and it would still shave hair......find another head that will do that.

[manyletters]

By far they are the best heads out there...I know that his brings out a lot of arguments with respect to this head and that head but I had a customer tell me..."I'm paying $15,000 to go on a guided hunt in Africa and I'm going to worry about saving money on a less expensive head that might get the job done where I can get the Silverflame and ensure the job gets done"...he was going for buffalo!!

[Two Arrows]

I hate to sound arguementative, but to say "...and ensure the job gets done"??? That sounds like a guy who wants things set up on a platter for him. Sorry, I just don't see it

How are you to compare a shaving sharp Magnus or Zwickie to a Silver Flame? Ok, you will have to sharpen the other two more often than the SF. But, shaving sharp is just that. One shot is all it takes. Deathly sharp is enough.

I shot a Stinger broadhead into a modern broadhead target 30 times and it still shaved hair. That's less expensive AND sharp

[robtattoo]

I'm with Two Arrows on this one. Why do you need a head that stays sharp? Surely it only needs to be sharp once?

That said, I'd love to have a try with a dozen Silver Flames!  :D

[Skipmaster1]

Originally posted by Two Arrows:
I hate to sound arguementative, but to say "...and ensure the job gets done"??? That sounds like a guy who wants things set up on a platter for him. Sorry, I just don't see it

I don't think that sounds like a guy who wants things on a platter. sounds like a guy who wants to make sure he puts the animal he is after down quickly by using the best tool for the job and not skimping on quality to save a few bucks.
For NA game there are many heads I would use, especially on deer sized critters.......for big african game, you couldn't pay me to use anything but a SF.....not saying other heads won't get the job done, but I would want the best and know any failure was on me and not the equipment I chose


Well the sharpness can come into effect if you happen to pass through a scapula and only get 1 lung. Many heads lose their edge going through bone, now you have a single lung shot deer and the equivelent to a spoon moving around in there as the deer runs. with a SF the blade is still shaving sharp and is doing massive damage as the deer moves. it could be the difference of a lost deer or a found one......or at least a long bloodtrail oppose to a short one. I don't want to depend on that to recover my animal......but "stuff" happens and I'll take all the help I can get.
the silver flame is also so durable that I have never seen a tip deform or a ferrel bend, I have seen that with stingers(and other heads) and that reduces penetration.
Believe me, I never thought I'd see the differnce in quality to justify the difference in price with these heads......until I held one.

Bottom line, shoot what you want. it makes no difference to me. I like my Razorsharks and SF's.

[Numitokayo]

I used the 210 gr Silver Flames out on a moose hunt last year.  The weather was really warm and we didn't see much of anything.  I did shoot a really big porcupine and it did the job it was supposed to.  These heads are well made and of great quality.   Its simply a matter of choice  if you shoot them or not.  There are also many other great blades out there, same thing with bows, arrows etc...

If you do decide to shoot the Silver Flames, I know you'll like what you see..IMO