Stump Shooting Carbons

[Ron Vought]

Probably not new to this forum but I think that we found a really tough stump shooting carbon by doing some modifications. Leon Stewart and I were fooling around with making me a half dozen carbon stump shooters a few weeks ago. We took a 3/8 oak dowel rod, cut it down to 6 " and sanded it down to fit a 35/55 Carbon Tech Whitetail carbon shaft. We glued in the wood dowel rod and then I bought some really nice 125 grain rubber screw in blunts from a local archery shop that have a large round head. I normally shoot 175 grain field points and they fly the same with this configuraiton. I figured the dowel rod and 125 grain tip weight out close to 175 grains on the front end of the arrow.

I have been shooting these things into everything without any issue whatsoever. It really added strength to these shafts and keeps them from breaking up front. I think the rubber blunt configuration also helps soften the blow to the front of the arrow.

Ron

[twitchstick]

Cool idea! I think I seen this in some of the ashby writings. The dowel was sanded down to a point on the nock end so the shaft could flex around the dowel. I might have to try this for my stumping arrows tonight. If it's tough enough for buffalo in might be tough for So. Utah rocks.

[JamesKerr]

For my stumping I use the same arrows I use for hunting. I have a 100 grain brass insert in them which seems to do wonders for durability. If you read the Ashby reports a shaft with a brass insert and foc over 20% seem to be some of the most durable in his testing.

[Kenkel]

Sounds like that would work great!  I used the little aluminum jobs from 3Rivers that go over the shaft.  I put one on the point and nock end and they are tough.  Havent split one since I started using them.

[PaddyMac]

It didn't stiffen up the arrow? I tried cladding the top 1-1/2" with aluminum but it threw everything off. Hmmm. Sounds interesting. I may just try it.

[Ron Vought]

Parick - Nope...It did not seem to stiffen the arrow. They shot the same as my field tip arrows without the dowel rod. Matter of fact I think this would be a real good arrow for larger game. I bought the oak dowel rods at Lowes.

Ron

[Benny Nganabbarru]

Carbons never stood-up to the termite mounds we stump shoot the way Douglas fir do.

[Scott Teaschner]

Footing the end with a piece of aluiminum shaft that slides over the carbon and then epoxied seems a little easier. I foot all mine and have hit steel plates at 3 D shoots and came through just fine while every one else where pickiing up the pieces. I am not saying your method will not work it just seems like a lot of time spent getting it to fit. You could use the time saved and do more shooting. No doubt rubber blunts absorb a lot of the shock. It seems when I break a carbon these days it more in the middle of the shaft from maybe glancing of some thing.

[Scott Teaschner]

Ben how are the termites on the wooden shafts versus carbons  for food prefrence    .

[Ron Vought]

Just put the dowel rods in a hand drill and run it through some rough sand paper....only took a few minutes per dowel. Glued them in with an instant glue with the insert and done.

Ron

[Benny Nganabbarru]

There are times when you have to quickly grab the arrow out and brush it off in the grass. But mostly, the mounds are vacant.

[excelpoint]

I'm the same, I foot mine with about 1.5" of alloy shaft. After doing that they are almost indestructible. I've found gluing the inserts in with a good quality high strength epoxy also helps to stop the insert breaking free and mushrooming the end of the shaft.

[RM81]

Originally posted by excelpoint:
....mushrooming the end of the shaft.

That's the main reason I foot with aluminum.  Haven't had that happen since I started using aluminum.

[cloudbaseracer]

What size aluminum arrow should I use for a 5575 Goldtip?

I want something snug but not too tight.

[Ragnarok Forge]

Cloudbaseracer.  Do a search.  There was a long list of aluminum shaft that fit over carbond shaft sizes in a thread last year.

[kykiller]

Mine have held up so far what little I have done.  The time I had any issues I was in an old cedar thicket shooting old stumps around 8" diameter that had moss growing over all of them.  I picked one out and let it fly, it made a wierd noise when it hit.  Come to find out it was a piece of limestone with moss growing over it. LOL!

[RM81]

Originally posted by cloudbaseracer:
What size aluminum arrow should I use for a 5575 Goldtip?

I want something snug but not too tight.

2216's work for 5575's

Here's a link with some more sizes:
 http://tradgang.com/noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=000098