Maybe it was longer than earlier stated, keep in mind I am not sure where I was 2 days ago LOL!!. I spoke with John this evening an I have decided to go somewhat simple. I am going to go with Honduran Rosewood on the riser, with purple heart beam and stained curly ash veneers on the limbs. I am naturally excited, as I have only bought a couple of NEW custom bows but owned many as I am too tight (broke)to buy new. I own a Griffin and I just miss having a nice recurve as I enjoy shooting both. I still welcome any thoughts or pics, Thanks.....Dave