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Author Topic: new to bows and arrows  (Read 196 times)

Offline Jenny Verana

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new to bows and arrows
« on: April 23, 2012, 08:52:00 PM »
My new husband likes to shoot his friends bow. I want to surprise him with his own bow when he graduates. I think I might want to shoot too, is there anything that I need to do or any recommendations. It would be okay I don't mind spending money on this. Any suggestions?

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Re: new to bows and arrows
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2012, 08:59:00 PM »
I would suggest both of you starting out at a light poundage. I would suggest around 35#-40# for your new husband and around 30#-35# for you. Learn and master form first! Once you have an established good form accuracy will come easily. A lot of beginners tend to overthink the shot I think when all there really is to it is just pull back, get a solid anchor, and release. I would recommend getting the Samick Sage as a starter bow. It shoots great and as you move up in poundage you can buy heavier limbs for it. Once you have worked up to the poundage you desire to shoot and have shot enough to know what you like and don't like, then it will be time to spend the big money on a custom bow.
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Re: new to bows and arrows
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2012, 09:00:00 PM »
Perhaps a place to start would be to hear what kind of bow your husband's friend shoots? If you can tell us Longbow or Recurve, brand, etc., it may be a starting point. If you could even sneak a picture of a bow you husband likes, it would be helpful.
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Offline Jenny Verana

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Re: new to bows and arrows
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2012, 09:24:00 PM »
I think its a Brun with curved tips, he says it is smooth his friend hunts with it. He wants us to go to shoots, with fake animal targets.

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Re: new to bows and arrows
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2012, 09:37:00 PM »
Jenny, whatever bows you end up with, you are in for some real fun!!

Bruin has a website. The prices are pretty hefty if you or your husband don't have a firm idea of what you want. You may just decide that two Samicks are a pretty good deal!

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Re: new to bows and arrows
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2012, 09:39:00 PM »
Check out Mike, at Maddog Bows.  Great guy, and a sponsor here.  He can set you up or get you headed in the right direction.
Welcome to the family, and enjoy the trip!
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Offline Michigan Mark

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Re: new to bows and arrows
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2012, 09:40:00 PM »
You mean one of these? Look around there on the web. Mike is a great Guy, and I hear nothing but good things about his bows. Good taste!
 https://bruinbows.com/HOME_PAGE.html
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Re: new to bows and arrows
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2012, 09:40:00 PM »
Do you have any single sisters?     :bigsmyl:  

Just kiddin, welcome to TradGang, you came to the right place    :)
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Offline Michigan Mark

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Re: new to bows and arrows
« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2012, 09:45:00 PM »
A one -piece Woodsmaster does not have all the exotic woods but performs just the same for $550.00 shipped.
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Re: new to bows and arrows
« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2012, 11:45:00 PM »
Jenny,

It sounds like you and your new hubby might be new to traditional archery.  I would like to make a few suggestions to help you get started.  Do you know the difference between a longbow and a recurve?  If not, look through the Bear Archery catalog for a quick look at the difference between the two.  Below is a link to their traditional archery catalog:

 http://www.beararcheryproducts.com/bows/traditional

The Ausable, Patriot and Montana are styles of longbows.  The others are recurves.

Your husband may know what type of bow he wants to shoot.  If your husband’s friend can keep a secret, you may want to speak with him about what kind of bow to get for your husband and what draw weight he would recommend.

If you are undecided for yourself, find a local archery shop that carries traditional bows if at all possible and find one that “feels” comfortable in your hand.  Not all bows will fit your hand the same way; some bows will fit your hand better than others.  Feeling uncomfortable will distract you while trying to shoot, so comfortable matters.

For most people, a lower draw weight bow works better with which to learn to shoot.  The reason for this is that if you have to struggle to draw the bow, you will not be able to concentrate on form.  Unlearning bad form can be harder than learning good form to begin with.

In my experience, 30 to 35 pounds for most women is a good starting draw weight, while 40 to 45 pounds is a good range for most men.  Needless to say, some people are much stronger than others.  You can build strength pretty quickly with regular practice, but it is better to start a little light than a little heavy until you develop good form.

As you practice and develop upper body strength, you might decide to upgrade to a new bow with a heavier draw weight.  For this reason, I recommend that unless you know pretty much exactly what you want, you may want to be a little economical to start.  If you decide you want to continue with archery (and/or bowhunting), you can upgrade to a heavier draw weight and maybe a nicer bow.  Plus, once you have shot awhile, you will have a better frame of reference as to what you may want in a new bow.  Then is the time to consider spending a little more money to get what you want!

Also, in my experience, most people have an easier time learning to shoot accurately using a recurve, rather than a longbow.  But if your heart is set on a longbow, by all means, get a longbow.

There are many good bowyers (bow builders) that are sponsors on this site, but custom anything is generally not largemart priced.  There may be some bowyers on this site that make a very good bow at a price within your range so I encourage you to do some searching.  Certain makes of bows, such as Samick, make a decent bow for the money.  You can even start out with a used bow.  I have purchased several used bows from the classifieds section on Tradgang with good luck.  This lets me try bows that I can’t find locally.  I also know I can resell them and try something else if I want to.  Keep in mind, you may be buying two of everything.  If price is not a matter, you will have a much bigger pool of bows from which to select!

The draw weight you choose will help determine what arrows to buy.  Other equipment you will want to invest in are a glove or tab (another choice, yeay!), an arm guard (many different ones) to protect your bow arm from being struck by the string and to keep a baggy shirt sleeve out of the way, and a quiver in which to carry your arrows.

Also, I would like to recommend a few books for the beginner in traditional archery.  One is A Beginner’s Guide to Traditional Archery by Brian J. Sorrels.

Another is G. Fred Asbell’s Instinctive Shooting, which you can buy from several places but can buy it directly from his website at the link below:

 http://gfredasbell.com/GFA_Books_Videos.php

Remember to have these sent to another address if you do not want your husband to see them right away!

I would also like to recommend one video in particular.  It is called Masters of the Barebow.  I strongly recommend you get volume 3 first and watch it.  I have one, two and three, (not 4 yet) and enjoy them all, but volume 3 to me is an exceptionally well-done instructional video.  It can help you develop good technique right away and save a lot of headaches.

Hope this helps.  Good Luck!
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Offline Jenny Verana

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Re: new to bows and arrows
« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2012, 11:46:00 PM »
I would have thought wooden bows did not cost almost a $1000, maybe a few hundred. But its no problem, do I need special arrows for that bow?

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Re: new to bows and arrows
« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2012, 12:16:00 AM »
You can shoot either carbon arrows, aluminum arrows or wood arrows.  Carbon and aluminum will be the most durable and do not generally require as much care.  In order to buy arrows, you need to first answer a few questions.

What is your draw length?  This is determined a few different ways, but essentially, it is the distance from the string when at full draw to a reference point on the bow, typically to the middle of the riser. It is important because it determines how long your arrows need to be at a minimum.  The tips of the arrows should extend past the front of the bow when you are at full draw.

2) What is the draw weight of your bow? The heavier the draw weight, the stiffer your arrow needs to be.

There is a phenomenon known as archer's paradox.  It's not hard to understand, just hard for me to describe clearly in writing. But, there are two very good videos showing how an arrow actually bends around a bow when it is released for a shot.  Here are two links to  youtube videos made by a member here at Tradgang.  They show the paradox, or bending of the arrow in flight very well.

 

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96KGWC0PB6s&feature=relmfu

The length of the arrow and the draw weight of the bow will control what arrow to shoot.  Arrows are rated by spine weight, which is a measure of stiffness.  You must match the stiffness of the arrow to your specific set-up.  There are charts you can use to get you close, but an archery proshop that specializes in traditioanl archery would be a big help.

Unfortunately, the rating system for carbon and aluminum arrows is a little different but the charts I refer to list recommended arrows for specific draw lengths and draw weights.

Also, there is a wide selection of carbon arrows available which can make the selection process a little confusing to start.  But you can find what you need.  A good source to see prices and varieties is 3Rivers Archery at:

 http://www.3riversarchery.com/

You do not need the most expensive arrow on the market.  But as you can see, you can drop a small fortune quickly.  You can also look at their bows to see different price ranges.  

There are several sponsors here that sell arrows and other archery gear, some of which are located in your home state I believe.  3Rivers carries Sage bows that although inexpensive, get very good customer ratings.  

Because you and your husband will shoot bows with different draw lengths and likely draw weights, you will each need your own arrows that fit your specific bow.  If you do your homework, you can both get set up for well under $500 to start.  It depends on how much you want to spend.  Keep in mind that once you are set up, you get to keep shooting the same arrows over and over so the initial purchase is the biggest step.

Mike
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Re: new to bows and arrows
« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2012, 12:50:00 AM »
I forgot to add to check out Mike Mecredy of Mad Dog bows
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Re: new to bows and arrows
« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2012, 01:05:00 AM »
The Sponsors on this site are great and everyone has some favorites as you will too but for now so you aren't overwhelmed Bowslinger's and James / killdears comments will steer you down the right direction. Just ask lots of questions and welcome aboard.   :wavey:
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Re: new to bows and arrows
« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2012, 09:46:00 AM »
Jenny, I know there are some good bowyers right there in Texas. Try to find a couple near you and talk to them in person and look at their bows. Shoot a few. They can help you along the right path to archery fun! Another way to see some bows would be to attend a large Trad shoot and visit some of the displaying bow vendors.

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Re: new to bows and arrows
« Reply #15 on: April 24, 2012, 09:50:00 PM »
It has gotten very quiet, so I know that there is a lot of mulling going on somewhere in Texas.

Feel free to PM me for any questions that you may have. No question too small.
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Re: new to bows and arrows
« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2012, 12:46:00 AM »
It can be oh so simple, yet oh so technical!  Cheap, expensive. Whatever you make it.  And it's fun killing fake animals.  My wife won't hunt, but enjoys shooting now and then.

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