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Author Topic: Is 51# enough for elk??  (Read 775 times)

Offline Quill Flinger

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Re: Is 51# enough for elk??
« Reply #20 on: July 31, 2007, 05:54:00 PM »
BTW, NEVER shoot a broadhead without fletchings on!
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Offline cajunbowhntr

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Re: Is 51# enough for elk??
« Reply #21 on: July 31, 2007, 06:18:00 PM »
Start here.
 http://www.acsbows.com/bowtuning.html

if your BH's are hitting right of your FP's your arrows are weak.

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Offline Jason R. Wesbrock

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Re: Is 51# enough for elk??
« Reply #22 on: July 31, 2007, 07:51:00 PM »
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That being said, there is nothing to say that you can't have good arrow flight with a heavy arrow.  
You bet. Heck, I even bareshaft tune my bowfishing arrows, and those things weigh something like 1,500 grains.   :eek:

Offline Dave2old

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Re: Is 51# enough for elk??
« Reply #23 on: July 31, 2007, 08:37:00 PM »
Lost Arra -- neither do I! It's obscene and we are working on it. Looking over these threads I don't see any I flat-out disagree with. Often, we just choose to talk about different subsets of a situation. I didn't read the TBM article in question, but agree absolutely that trying to shoot one of the largest and most magnificent animals on this continent with a 450grain arrow is ... obscene. Why did TBM, my favorite mag in the world, publish such tripe? No matter whether it shoots like a dart or a corkscrew, you don't shoot toothpicks at mega-game. So far as arrow weight and accuracy -- there's no relationship whatsoever! It's tuning, period.

Brackshooter's reference to heavy arrows "rocking the target" speaks multitudes, esp. when your target it huge with heavy bones.

Ashby himself says that if you don't have flawless arrow flight (bow-arrow tuning) and super-sharp heads, nothing else much matters. But frankly, my slow old heavy woodies are far easier to tune than feathered toothpicks. A huge problem for many of us is that fast arrows "sizzling out of the bow" are sexy. Slow arrows lobbing out there are not. Maybe has something to do with patience, in our increasingly impatient world. Keep kicking it around, guys. I'm with ya. dave

Offline Jager

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Re: Is 51# enough for elk??
« Reply #24 on: July 31, 2007, 08:54:00 PM »
Colorado has wimpy elk, Oregon DFW regs say we need at least 50# to kill are elk, if Im not mistaken. :)  Also I bought some of those wieght tubes and they said they wouldnt effect my arrow spine. I think they did and they ruined my arrow flight. Have any of you had that problem with the tubes?

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Re: Is 51# enough for elk??
« Reply #25 on: July 31, 2007, 09:46:00 PM »
Jager-
I tried the tubes in my carbons as well, and wasnt a big fan either.  Seem like a good way to increase weight if you can handle them.  I prefer to step up in spine and add as much point weight as possible.  Arrows fly great and dont have to worry about those stupid tubes flying out of the back of my arrow when I stump shoot!
BTW, well said Dave.

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Offline mobiltoy

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Re: Is 51# enough for elk??
« Reply #26 on: July 31, 2007, 11:12:00 PM »
Killed a few elk and deer with 10 grains per pound of bow weight.  Made some bad shots and some good, most all went down pretty quick.  I have lost some animals but as you hunt that will happen with bad weather, bad tracking and just bad luck.
This thread comes up a lot and I just wonder why folks want to keep on dropping arrow weight to hunt with.  It is a proven fact and if you practice with it you will have the best chance at your goal of harvesting an animal cleanly.  There are a lot of variables to consider, shot placement, animal size, kinetic energy, weather, tracking just to name a few for this discussion.  But the one you can control is kinetic energy and this has a huge factor, so why muck around with it.  Just a few thoughts, Bill

Offline Santiam

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Re: Is 51# enough for elk??
« Reply #27 on: July 31, 2007, 11:20:00 PM »
Ryan,

 Hows it going?...Ken shoots 150's out of his recurve  with the 50 gr brass inserts and the flight is something to behold...Prettiest arrow you ever saw....I think you may have to much up front....

 Other than that,your bow is fine...I might reconsider the snuffers though...I still use them for blacktails,but not for elk...
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Offline Sawtooth

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Re: Is 51# enough for elk??
« Reply #28 on: July 31, 2007, 11:38:00 PM »
Dave,

Agreed.  I bought into heavier arrows a couple of years ago.  Made steady progress toward a 600 gr. arrow to shoot out of my 51@28" recurve, and got those arrows tuned well.  My arrows fly straighter than I can shoot it seems!  I also went to a solid, two blade BH.

Also, I'm no expert by any means, but personally I could care less what a chrony tells me.  I want excellent shot placement with a good heavy arrow and a solid, razor sharp broadhead.
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Offline Danny Rowan

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Re: Is 51# enough for elk??
« Reply #29 on: August 01, 2007, 03:29:00 AM »
I shoot 60# bows and my arrows are 800+ grains,Alaskan Forgewoods,out to 30 yards I notice no drop, past that there is some but I would not shoot at an animal past 30 yards anyway, but I do practice out to 40 regularly. Never been close to an elk, but every deer or pig I have shot has been a complete pass through and a short trail. Yes, I believe in heavy arrows. That Bison in my avatar,25 yard shot,I hit the elbow joint and still got the heart he was down in less than 20 yards, the Ace 200 gr head was still sharp when I got it out of him.

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