Tell me speed doesn't matter!

[MCS]

ALDO I think your good with that. The drop in weight may make you more accurate. JMO. Mike.

[Bill Carlsen]

Bow stability and a straight flying arrow trumps everything else, IMO, as long as the broadhead is razor sharp. However, for myself, a flat shooting bow is a bonus. Trajectory and arrow weight are beneficial for me. I like my arrow weight in the head end like you so penetration is maximized. Have a good season and post pics.

[BowDiddle]

I agree with Sixby.

Speed isn't the end all be all of it, but it sure don't hurt to have as much of it as you can get as long as you don't go to the extreme light side in weight of your arrow to get the speed.

Your rig will work.

[BenBow]

I posted this on the phone book thread. Not a definitive study but seemed consistent to me. For me it's the speed weight combo that is important. I like a fast bow so I can shoot an arrow that matches my mental computer that will produce sufficient penetration. If I can get that at a lower draw weight then I shoot more accurately which produces clean kills.

Well here's what I came up with using 2 very different arrow weights. Both arrows fly true out of my bow. I want to do this with a better medium say 1/4" mds with a foot of foam behind it. This should give greater penetration which would give better numbers to work with. As it is it looks to me that penetration follows momentum pretty close. The 430 gr arrow is no slouch though. Just happens that the 708 gr @ 160 matches my mental computer.
 

• Weight 708 gr 160 fps 40.26 KE .503 Mo

Weight 430 gr 204 fps 39.75 KE .390 MO
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• KE increase 708 vs 430 = 1.27%

MO increase 708 vs 430 = 22.56%
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Phone book = 1 3/8"
 

• 708 gr = 4.0625" penetration = 300%

430 gr = 3.125" penetration = 227.3%
Penetration 708 vs 430 = 23.08% increase
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[sidebuster]

You want to know if speed matters

Here's a 40# cedar self bow with Magnus broad head and its harvest.   Any questions?

 

[LBR]

Nice pic Sidebuster!

Here's another thought.  Watch the old Ben Pearson, Fred Bear, Bill Negley, Howard Hill, etc. etc. etc. movies.

Some of them (Negley and Hill) shot very heavy weight bows, but none of them were getting blistering speeds.  I don't recall ANY of them mentioning how fast their arrows travelled.  They seemed to do o.k. killing stuff and some of them were pretty good at shooting at targets too.

Back to the question, does speed matter?  If you are asking for opinion, obviously it does to some folks.  Admit it or not, "speed" is a big selling point, both on this side of the sport and the other too.  The guys in Primitive Archer would probably argue that dead is dead, no matter how fast the arrow was going when it went through the vitals.

Does speed kill?  Not by itself, and it isn't required in extreme portions to do the job.  

Do some folks shoot better with a faster bow?  I guess.  I've shot some of my best ever 3-D scores, including wins at the Howard Hill and TN Classic, with selfbows.  I've shot much higher scores with selfbows than some other folks did with much, much faster laminated bows.  I've shot two classes and had my selfbow score be better than my other score.  So, just like speed alone doesn't kill, speed alone isn't accurate, and isn't required in extreme amounts to be accurate.  The young lady I mentioned before couldn't have been getting 150 fps--she has a very short draw and was shooting about 18 gpp--but she cleanly killed deer, beyond 20 yds.

Bottom line, before the discussion got off track, is your set-up will be fine for deer as long as you do your part with tuning, sharpening, and accuracy.  

Enjoy yourself and go kill a nice one!

Chad

[BenBow]

LBR X2

[last arrow]

I remember about 1980 when I was shooting 60lbs to get that kind of speed with that weight of arrows.  That was considered a good elk bow.  Bow design and materials have improved some.

[LBR]

One particular scene from "The Legendary Hunts of Ben Pearson" comes to mind--he was stringing his bow before the pheasant hunt.  Heavy wood arrows, short draw length, long bow length, string was so fat it looked like a clothes line, big feathers on his arrows...

It looked like you could out-run his arrows when they were shot...and he was shooting pheasants out of the air consistently. On that same video he killed a javalina at approximately 160 yds with the same or a similar set-up.

Seems we keep trying to re-invent the wheel rather than spend more time learning to drive better.

[ALDO]

THanks Sidebuster, no more questions!  Yes I do have a 26" draw and just try to maximize my penetration.  I feel confident with this set up, just need to prove it.  Hopefully this afternoon.  
Thanks to all,
ALDO

[kawika b]

Have a good time out there Aldo!    

[Bert Frelink]

Speed doesn't matter !
Go get them!!!!!!!
Regards.
Bert.

[The Vanilla Gorilla]

Originally posted by LBR:


Seems we keep trying to re-invent the wheel rather than spend more time learning to drive better.

X2

[Big Ed]

If you have a chance look up Bill Langer's video of his son shooting his first deer last year. I believe he was shooting around 38 pounds of draw at 24" and shooting a 2016 aluminum with outstanding success.