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Offline David Yukon

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Broad Heads
« on: February 05, 2013, 03:07:00 PM »
Hi all, I just received my new Eclipse 145gr, double bevel, glue on.
My observations, Look like great BH, and I went with these after reading a bunch of comments that they are great heads. First observation, the bevels on them are all over the place and not even close to have some consistency, is that normal? Second observation, I put them on my digital grain scale, and the weight are all over the place, out of 6, I have two that are actually at 145gr, one at 151, one at 137, one at 140, one at 144.... that seems like a lot of difference. And that is the weight before i even start to put consistent bevels on them.... I wouldn't be surprise, if I get the 137 to around 130+, and the 151 to 146ish...
Is that normal.

I weighted the Abowyer 175gr, that I have, they all came out bellow 170gr some bellow 165gr.... At least the Abowyer have real consistent bevels, and they are sharp.

So what do you guys think. don't worry about it get them sharp and the 5 to 15 grains difference wont make any difference in the shooting... It won't affect the spine of my arrows....

Thank you for any thoughts on that.

David
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Re: Broad Heads
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2013, 03:48:00 PM »
no real experience with eclipse.

I don't know if it's normal for them or not.

This day and age, more and more b-head manufacturers are getting better at consistent bevels and weights.

I know the last 6 vpa 3 blades I bought were very consistent bevels (near perfect) and all weighed within 1.5 grains of each other.

Also, the last pack of grizzlies I bought (NOT FROM THE CURRENT MUCH IMPROVED MAKER) were horrible bevels.

Contact eclipse..see what they say..maybe you got a really bad pack?
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Re: Broad Heads
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2013, 03:58:00 PM »
Thank you Zradix, after putting a decent edge on one, not razor sharp yet but sharp, it lost 3 grains.... I don't want to be anal but just what I'm noticing.

I would think that with the technology we have now a day, it should be relatively easy to be more consistent!!

I wrote Eclipse an email, we'll see what they have to say.

I also got some of there chubby bunny field points, and they are way more consistent in weight, from 145 to 150 on a dozen.

I'm thinking with all the shooter out there that are splitting hairs in half to tune there bow/arrows set to be perfect, they must go nuts when they find out so much differences in point weight...
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Re: Broad Heads
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2013, 04:08:00 PM »
yeah..I know I couldn't notice the difference in weight of 10 grains by shooting...but some possibly including you can.
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Re: Broad Heads
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2013, 04:10:00 PM »
here is a quote from their site under sharpening tips....

"First lets talk about the factory grind. The factory grind is only intended to save you a little elbow grease by removing some of the metal. It is not intended to be ready for use out of the package or even at the correct angle. We feel broadhead sharpening is a personal thing, a ritual of the hunt if you will. It is something we enjoy doing. It's part of preparing for the hunt. There are lots of opinions regarding sharpening angle, direction of filing, file versus stone, etc. By only removing some of the metal with the factory grind, we are allowing you full flexibility in sharpening your broadhead to your personal taste. "
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Re: Broad Heads
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2013, 04:14:00 PM »
not all companies have the same philosophy....

personally...and I may be completely off here.. I feel they decided it would be too expensive and or too difficult to get a good edge on them at the factory.
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Re: Broad Heads
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2013, 04:15:00 PM »
I think I would rather not have them grind than the grind they have on, some of them have a bevel on one side only at some places...
They are double beveled. I might sound a bit hard on them, but really I'm not, I just want to know what is normal. My snuffer are pretty consistent, as are my razor cap, plus or minus a few grains.
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Re: Broad Heads
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2013, 04:21:00 PM »
...sounds like you could go with zwickeys and save a few bucks, do the same amount of work or maybe less, and have a little nostalgia going on....
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Re: Broad Heads
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2013, 04:38:00 PM »
I was debating in between Abowyer, Zwickeys, and Eclipse...
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Offline Bill Carlsen

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Re: Broad Heads
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2013, 05:08:00 PM »
What's wrong with the Razorcaps? I love. Took a moose with one that only took 3 steps and went down.
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Re: Broad Heads
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2013, 05:10:00 PM »
abowyers are darn nice..bit pricey..but really nice.
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Re: Broad Heads
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2013, 05:12:00 PM »
Grain scales and chronographs.  The bane of traditional archers.  Before we had them, we just fletched up some arrows and shot.  Now we analyze everything to the nth degree.   :bigsmyl:  

5 grains one way or the other from the stated weight is fairly normal for stamped, hand ground heads.  Some totally machined heads have better tolerances.  The range of weights you have is a bit wide, but it's unlikely you'll notice the difference in shooting them.

Haven't looked at an eclipse lately, but I believe they're constructed much like a Zwickey.  Those heads (with a couple thicknesses of steel, i.e., one thickness for the blade and triple lamination toward the tip) require some file work to set, clean up the bevel, but it's fairly easy to do.  A lot of folks prefer it that way because they can sharpen them just the way they want them.

Abowyers are quite a bit different.  Single bevel, one thick steel lamination throughout.  They do come razor sharp out of the box.  Fairly easy to touch up with a stone or file, though some folks report having trouble sharpening single bevels.

Keep at it.  Eclipse are good heads. Put some time into them and they'll serve you well.  Good luck.
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Re: Broad Heads
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2013, 06:03:00 PM »
Just got an email back from Blake at Eclipse, he said that it is unusual to have that big of a difference. He offered me something, I offered him something, we'll see if what we can do!

Bill, I think the razor caps are good to, but I don't seem to find the right blue to fit them on my woodies....lol If you want them, pm me.

Orion, I agree with you with all the technology that we could go with out... I never put and arrow true a chronograph. And the grain scale was to know if my arrows would be heavy enough out of my bows, so not to shoot less than 8-9 gpp to be on the safe side for the bow.

Thank you for the help!
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Re: Broad Heads
« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2013, 06:43:00 PM »
What Orion said!!!

I believe 10 grains in the weight of a dollar bill...and I really don't think you will 'shoot the difference'.

And, if 10 grains throws off your spine, you are too borderline on spine....    :campfire:
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Re: Broad Heads
« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2013, 01:37:00 PM »
10 gr is pretty tight actually. I feel lucky if I get a dozen woodies finnished that are inside of 40 grs.............esp after the 160 snuffers have been sharpened,resharpened and touched up over time,(got some maple shafts that are in their 15th year)...........
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