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Author Topic: Being checked while stumping  (Read 1031 times)

Offline Converml

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Re: Being checked while stumping
« Reply #60 on: April 23, 2013, 06:49:00 PM »
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le but someone suggested CO's don't need warrants. Thats simply not true. The fourth amendment provides protection from unwarrented searches. Yes, some exceptions exist, but they would not apply to CO's differntly than other officers. Although I would be interested if there is actual evidence to the contrary (article or other source not generalized experience)
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 09:01 PM USA/ET
Source: San Francisco Chronicle

The U.S. Supreme Court today granted California game wardens the authority to stop and question motorists
.The justices denied review of a California Supreme Court ruling in June that upheld the vehicle stops without requiring a warrant or evidence of lawbreaking.


All a warden needs to initiate such a stop is knowledge that the person or persons in the vehicle have been hunting or fishing. As long as the wardens’ demands are limited to items directly related to fishing and hunting, then the stop and any subsequent search is permissible, the court said.
The court’s ruling stems from a 2007 case in which a game warden stopped an angler three blocks from a San Diego public fishing pier and discovered the illegal take of a spiny lobster. The warden had been observing the pier through a telescope from a distance of 200 yards (so as not to be detected) when he saw Bouhn Maikhio pull something out of the water with a hand line and put it in a black bag.

Although the warden could not tell what Maikhio had caught and later admitted he did not have reason, at that point, to suspect a law had been broken, he pursued Maikhio after watching him leave the pier, get in his car, and exit the parking lot. As the warden put it, he wanted to “make sure that [Maikhio] was in compliance with the California fishing law and regulations.”

Lapin said, game wardens "really couldn't be doing their job" without the power to detain people who have recently been hunting or fishing, activities that rarely show outward evidence of lawbreaking.


Lapin said, game wardens "really couldn't be doing their job" without the power to detain people who have recently been hunting or fishing, activities that rarely show outward evidence of lawbreaking.


In its decision, the court said the inconvenience of such stops, when compared to the state’s need to protect wildlife for future enjoyment, is minor. The court also said hunters and anglers give up some measure of their Fourth Amendment protections against unreasonable search and seizure because hunting and fishing regulations would be “impossible to adequately enforce if a game warden could stop…only those anglers and hunters who the warden reasonably suspected had violated the fish and game law.”


The laws in many U.S. states allow game wardens to conduct certain types of searches with or without search warrants. The law in Louisiana for instance states in part "...any commissioned wildlife agent may visit, inspect, and examine, with or without [a] search warrant, records, any cold storage plant, warehouse, boat, store, car, conveyance, automobile or other vehicle, airplane or other aircraft, basket or other receptacle, or any place of deposit for wild birds, wild quadrupeds, fish or other aquatic life or any parts thereof whenever there is probable cause to believe that a violation has occurred. Commissioned wildlife agents are authorized to visit or inspect at frequent intervals without the need of search warrants, records, cold storage plants, bait stands, warehouses, public restaurants, public and private markets, stores, and places where wild birds, game quadrupeds, fish, or other aquatic life or any parts therof may be kept and offered for sale, for the purpose of ascertaining whether any laws or regulations under the jurisdiction of the department have been violated...."[4] The laws in other states may grant more or less search and seizure authority. These exceptions granted to game wardens are still considered to fall within the constitutional limits of search and seizure as outlined in the U.S Constitution.

Or just carry your small game liscence know your laws and go stumping        :archer2:
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Re: Being checked while stumping
« Reply #61 on: April 23, 2013, 07:15:00 PM »
In Texas hogs are always in season so we stump shoot with a couple broadheads in the quiver, always.  License in the pocket.    :campfire:
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Re: Being checked while stumping
« Reply #62 on: April 23, 2013, 07:17:00 PM »
I'm pretty sure you can't legally be in the woods with a bow and arrow during deer gun seasons in areas where it's gun only and that's just about the whole state. No matter what licsense or permits you have.

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Re: Being checked while stumping
« Reply #63 on: April 23, 2013, 07:41:00 PM »
In Michigan you can. You need the proper license and you have to wear hunter orange.
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Re: Being checked while stumping
« Reply #64 on: April 23, 2013, 10:00:00 PM »
Bladepeek- I agree that there is no need for wrangling or spending unnecessary resources. Interesting though, as the family LOs I speak are retired from various MI Depts.- state troops, city PD, DNR etc. And a number of my current friends are prosecutors all the way to the federal level.  So- believe me- I have HIGH respect for the positions.    

I do not know the current said law there (moved from there in early 90s)- but I will bet that walking around and shooting my bow will be hard pressed to be prosecuted. Further, I am mystified why this is such an issue-even on this site. Officers need to find poachers/criminals, not some person walking around shooting arrows at bushes.    

BTW- for others. . . interesting here in KS as you only have to wear orange if you are deer hunting during a firearm season.  Hunt something else or go for a walk and no need for orange! I guess their great logic (LOL) is if you have a gun in hand you are more apt to be shot! LOL
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Re: Being checked while stumping
« Reply #65 on: April 23, 2013, 10:05:00 PM »
maikhio vs. california the US Supreme Court denied hearing it letting California's decision for the game warden stand.

All they need is to hear from an acquaintance they saw an owl mount in your house or we had venison the other night at so and so's house ( this law did change a few years back but before in NY you couldnt have venison in your house after August ) and your home is just as safe as maikhio's car was from search without a warrant.

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Re: Being checked while stumping
« Reply #66 on: April 23, 2013, 10:17:00 PM »
I to am in Southern Tier NY. I go as far as carrying printouts of what game is in season while I'm in the woods even if for stumping. For instance, from June to September 1st you can hunt for frogs and turtles with a bow in NY. That gives us 3 months of stumping.
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Re: Being checked while stumping
« Reply #67 on: April 23, 2013, 10:18:00 PM »
Converml- Good work by CA CO. The guy was poaching.  Glad he was caught.  

Still not sure what much of this discussion has to do with shooting arrows in the bushes.
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Re: Being checked while stumping
« Reply #68 on: April 23, 2013, 10:29:00 PM »
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Converml- Good work by CA CO. The guy was poaching.  Glad he was caught.  

Still not sure what much of this discussion has to do with shooting arrows in the bushes.
It was in reply to proof requested that game wardens don't need search warrants . He was stopped and car searched even though the warden admitted he didn't see him actually do anything illegal. He lost and the Supreme Court backed the warden up.

Some states won't allow target pratice on public land and define hunting as disturbing wildlife.

Which a game warden can decide that is what shooting arrows in bushes is.  so if stumping just carry your liscence and find something always in season and have a good time.

Unless some have the time and desire to sit out hunting season and that's if you lucky.

Most are nice guys I have one friend that is a warden but you just need 1 younge buck that let's that authority go to his head an you're busy for a while
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Re: Being checked while stumping
« Reply #69 on: April 23, 2013, 10:45:00 PM »
Good advice Converml- I think that is what Blade was offering as well. . . probably good wisdom.  Just hate seeing us lose freedoms. . . whether a kid going out after school and shooting a gun, only being allowed to purchase a certain size soft drink, or now someone shooting arrows into the bushes.  Sad
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