Inserts in Riser, why do bowyers don't like that??

[koger]

Shawn I understand what you mean, and have put them in BW's, Bear takedowns as well, you have a lot of meat in these bows. I also build custom long range rifles costing way more than $1000, and do a lot more milling, drilling, and truing up on them, where one uh oh can screw up the whole job. Just saying, if the riser is thick enough, your inserts are only gonna be3-4 threads deep. Seal the hole as described earlier with epoxy or CA.

[Bivyhunter]

I don't charge my customers for quiver inserts, but I generally try to talk them out of it. I cringe at the thought of tripping while packing your bow and falling on the quiver. It wouldn't take much to pop one of those studs out of your riser. A limb bolt, slide on or strap on quiver is going to give a sturdier mount, IMO

[Shawn Leonard]

Funnt cause these bowyers have 18 month weight and charge anywhere from 12 to 1800. They also have expensive cnc machine and say 20 hrs. in general of actually work time. I have no experiece building Bows but had OL make me a dandy and he told me 18 hrs. total this does not include dry time and time in the oven of course. Shawn

[Sixby]

shawn, It didn't include a lot of things probably , grinding lams, grinding and shaping overlays,. glue up time on riser work. Time buying and finding materials, ect. I have talked with a lot of bowyers about this and when you get down to it they are forgetting or leaving out this and that and when you actually add up the time in the bow it is always a lot more than they are saying. Like I said I will have close to 20 hours starting with shaping and sanding and finishing. That is after the bow is actually a working bow. Built and tillered ect/. Easily 35 to 40 hours in a bow and on really super fancy ones twice that much./
But I know a really nice bow can be turned out faster. Especially if the riser block is done and ready to mount limbs on.
Oh an an 18 mo or 2 year wait is nothing . It simply means that the bowyer is taking orders he cannot fill in 6 months./ LOL or that he wants a lot of slack in case he wants to take a couple of hunts in the next year or two go on vacation or work in the yard.
God bless you all, Steve

[buckracks7]

I never found inserts hard to put in, they didn't take long, and I never saw any issues with them. Black Widow does them for free.

[Shawn Leonard]

So if a bow takes 80 hrs.? Why would anyone sell them for 7-800 bucks. With material that works out to less than $10 an hour. I will call a few bowyers I know and ask again. I once ordered a bow that was not started at all and had it in 9 days and it took 2 days to ship. Seems like an awful lot of time for so little money. Shawn

[LittleBen]

Personally I think its more about taste and tradition than strength that leads people (bowyers and shooter) to not want to install them.

The hole for a quiver insert is like 1/4" deep or something like that.

Even if it's in the sight window I don't think its a structural issue. Even on a slender bow. The truth is that the back and belly sides of the sight window do most of the work resisting the stresses, just liek in the limbs. A hole in the middle of the sight window shouldn't matter much.

I recently drilled a 3/8 or 27/64 (i forget) hole clear through the sight window of a 3 piece I made to install a plunger button/threaded rest insert. No problems there and theres no glass or phenolic reinforcement in the riser either. Cut to center etc. I think it's alot more opinion than fact when it comes to the strength.

[stabow]

I waited several months for a bow to be finish I ask the bower to install the quiver bushing for me  and he did, while doing so the riser cracked we were both sick. Strap on quivers work fine......stabow

[Nativestranger]

Originally posted by stabow:
I waited several months for a bow to be finish I ask the bower to install the quiver bushing for me  and he did, while doing so the riser cracked we were both sick. Strap on quivers work fine......stabow

Sorry to hear about that. What wood was used on the riser? I am also considering a bow quiver. Do strap on or slide on quivers have a tendency to move about?

[Craig]

Schafer bows, Quiver inserts, Standard Option. one of the most expensive bows out there and Dave drills them.

[bigbadjon]

The bowyer told me they would not install bushings in a  sight window of their wood risers. I popped them in myself. It takes about five minutes and Martin gives you pattern to space the holes. There's nothing to it and it won't  weaken your bow.

[Hatrick]

Not difficult to do but you do need to take your time to be sure the quiver will be siting where you want it to be. Also, very important to use the right size and style drill bit. It like to use a brad point or forstner bit for the cleanest hole.

Have to watch the thickness of the sight window on those cut past center.

I use a Kwikee on all my recurves. Very versitile and easy to remove while on stand.

[Sixby]

who said anything about an 800. bow taking 80 hours?

All my bows are cut 3/16 past center unless the customer wants different. Hense no holes in the riser at the window location. What is the problem with placing the inserts on the ends of the riser? Just wondering. I have always put them there because it is the safest and thickest place on the riser to place them.
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God bless, Steve

[Bob Morrison]

I personal hate to take a piece of exotic wood and drill a bunch of holes for what ever in it. We charge $15 for quiver inserts. At that point it is your riser, once the holes are there, they are there forever. It may cost you a sale later.

Bob

[finkm1]

I think it depends on the make and style of the bow. I had a stabilizer and quiver inserts put in my Black Widow PSA X and I don't even use them, but I may in the future. They were free and they do not take away from the appearance of the bow in my opinion.

[LC]

I consider this like alot of other things in life.  Everyone has a opinion some based soley on what they have read or heard from someone else. To throw out some food for thought now adays it's considered tabboo to file the string groves on a recurve to deep on the belly side. I ask you to take a look on any early Bear bow and notice the belly string groove!!  Also how many old bows have you seen with old drilled holes for sights etc! Evidently the world doesnt end if u file clear through to the lam underneath!  However with that said theres the famouc compass bows. So like i said earlier it depends on the bow design! Your mileage may vary but I like quiver inserts.

[Brock]

I prefer no inserts on my bows...but have them on my original Jeffery Royal Hunter.  My reasoning is that it allows an area of the riser to be possibly compromised in inclement weather by moisture...causing moisture damage and failure at worse and some raised grain at least.  If you are tedious about your bow finishes and touching them up or never using DEET products for mosquitoes then likely nothing of concern.  For me with our 15 Aug opening for deer and swarms of biting insects....with daily thunderstorms....it is an issue.  I ended up just plugging the insert with wax as tight as I could...figured if I ever wanted to use it would just heat and let wax melt out.

Since 1991 never had reason to use the insert....

It comes to personal choice in my opinion for recurves...I just personally prefer lakot or back quivers...or a great northern quick mount/strap on to attaching it with inserts to the riser.

My brotehr on other hand just put money towards a nice SAIII BW that has two sets of inserts for quivers (BW and Quickie Quiver) plus a stabilizer/string tracker insert.  He does not mind them at all....and feels it gives him more versatility.

To each his own.